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Oh Cyn!
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I'm so sorry that this is happening to one of your sweet, precious girls again!
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I think of all the good you do in the world, and it just isn't fair! This is NOT the way Karma is supposed to work!
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*sigh* If this be the will of the Great Spirit, I hope he at least sees fit to make her time short. I think we all hate to have any one of these marvelous creatures suffer, whether they're our own or not.
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You, Maxie and Tom are in my thoughts and prayers!
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How about a wee small bit of good news?? Tonight, with the help of Morgan, the son of my great next door neighbors, Evie finally got her foot taken care of!!
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It all went much more smoothly than I had hoped and wasn't nearly as terrifying as I thought it would be. And it's all because of the great advice and encouragement that I've received from y'all here!
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You guys are fantastic!

Cyn, thank you for describing what to look for and how to make my incisions into the abscess. Cheesy is exactly how I would describe what I saw in there, just as you said it would look!
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Nella, your advice of having everything open before I started was great advice too! I was already so nervous about the whole thing, if anyone had tried to sneak up behind me and startle me, I probably would have shot straight up through the roof!

Going through everything and having it all lined up and ready to use worked great for two purposes: As a final check off of what I thought I had to have to do the best job possible, and as a calming activity prior to beginning the surgery, so to speak.

I wish I could say that it went text book from there, but no, not quite. First, Evie didn't sit quite as still as either I or Morgan would have liked. Despite having her head covered by the foot portion of an old sock from the rag drawer, as well as having a towel wrapped snugly about her body, she still squirmed on several occasions. It ended up that Morgan had to hold her to his chest, with her feet pointing out so that I could work on her bumble.

The other thing that went awry was the fact that the entire thing didn't pull out as a "plug" once I had it pulled free from the edges of the scab. My tweezers suck and it's one of the first things I'm going to look at replacing the first chance I get. I think I need something much longer and narrower so that I can really get down in there and maybe to the inner end of the plug to more efficiently pull it out.

I did soak her foot for about 15 minutes in a mild saline solution to help soften the underside of her foot, and to facilitate cleaning the foot real well to boot! Before any work with the exacto knife started, we flushed the entire foot, top and bottom with an antiseptic wash. [the "no hurt" kind
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] Once I was done excising as much of the cheesy stuff as I could, I then irrigated the wound with more of the "No Hurt" antiseptic wash.

There was also a bit old blister getting started on the top side of her foot on the other side of the toe from where the bumble was centered. I lanced that to see what would come out of it, and lo and behold, more of the cheesy gunk. So, I spent some extra time in making sure I got as much of that out as I could. I pinched, prodded and squeezed that sucker until all I could get out of it was blood! Then I irrigated it one more time with about 6 cc's of the antiseptic wash, just to be on the safe side.

I then loaded up the syringe with about 2 cc's of the triple antibiotic ointment and pumped that into the bottom of her foot. And OMG! It came squirting out of the blister that I had just finished cleaning and irrigating. So, I'm pretty sure I got more than enough of the ointment in there too.

All that was left was to bandage her all up, give her some food and water, and tuck her in to bed in the pump house with the four other Pump House Princesses!
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She's resting very comfortably even as I type this. I'll check her dressing in about a day or two at the most and see what else needs to be done at that time. She acts as though she feels much better already for having gotten that mess out of her. I just hope I got all of it. Tomorrow I think I'll give her a quick shot of penicillin just to be on the safe side. But I didn't want to cause her any more torment tonight. She's had enough for one day!
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Again, thank you everyone who lent me their support and encouragement to take care of this myself. Especially as we have no avian or chicken vets anywhere near us. The closest, to the best of my knowledge, is over 300 miles away in Seattle....a 6 hour drive!
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I'll post an update on Evie in another day or two and let y'all know how she's doing.
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Well Done Janelle and Amy! When I work on any of my babies, my hands shake and I have to take a second to calm down first. Then I am okay.

Cyn, I am so sorry about Maxie
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She will be mentioned in my prayers in a few moments. I know you could never do it, nor could I but I swear it seems like if we go out of our way to provide a great environment, healthy food, love and affection to our birds, they suffer and leave us but these idiots out there who let them live in mud pits, feed crap garbage too them and let them drinky muddy water have better longevity than ours who are treated like family members. WTH is up with that? I am doing nothing different with mine...they are going to be spoiled rotten and if they only have that for a few years vs many years with half assed care...so be it. They will die young and beautiful!

Tomorrow is Visit #2 to dentist...this is going to be a long road but it is one I can travel with ease because I have the loving hand of my DH on my back supporting me through the pain and the fears. I will get through this one step at a time. So, I will report in tomorrow evening...I am running errands in the am and dentist in the early afternoon. Wish me luck all and keep me in your thoughts and prayers...I would sooner wrestle a bear with a plastic spoon for a weapon than sit in a dentist's chair. Yes...I am a wuss who is afraid of dentists.
 
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Have you considered sedation dentistry? I too am the biggest pansy west of the Mississippi when it comes to anyone messing around in my mouth. I break out into an uncontrollable sweat and become nauseated just walking through the door of a dental office. And that smell! What the heck is that SMELL?!?! All dentist's offices smell the same, and just a whiff of that odor will set me to sweating like a stuck pig and have ridiculous bouts of nervous twitching.
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And then I discovered sedation dentistry. Here's how it works: They give you a prescription for three little pills. You take the first one the night before your appointment, the next one about an hour or so before your appointment and the third one just before you go stretch out in the chair. By the time they start working on you, you don't give a rats patootie about ANYTHING!!!
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I actually fell asleep half way through my last appointment, which included a full mouth cleaning, two extractions and one filling!

And I was still feeling just spiffy for about 4 or 5 hours afterward! You have to have someone there who can drive you both ways for your appointment or it's a total NO GO!, but that's what husbands are for, right?
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It's the ONLY way to go sweetie! Trust me on this one! It sure beats the heck out of sweating off ten pounds or chewing off every finger nail you posses! And ya wanna know what's really nice? After you get back home and lay down to take a nap, when you wake up you feel just fine. No fuzzy after effects or hangovers! Just a feeling of being relaxed and well rested! Sedation Dentistry! Ask for it by name!
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OH, that had me crackin' up, Amy!
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So glad to hear you got through the bumble surgery. Nella has earned an, "expert," badge by now. Yuk, I hate to even think of it, but fear my day is coming....

LadyHawk, best wishes for a quick dental visit and an even quicker recovery. I feel for ya!

Hopin' Maxie made a miraculous recovery over night....

Congratulations to Beth for UltraSuede's big win in the Orp contest: Best roo and Best Blue Orp; AND, to Brandon for best Lavender, with Jack......
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https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=400135

You all have a great day!
 
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Have you considered sedation dentistry? Sedation Dentistry! Ask for it by name!
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you're killing me here. I shall talk to him about it but I am a real control freak and that sounds very much like I would flip out because I was not in control of what was going on. I do not get sweaty and such...I am usually okay once the shot is over as long as I do not feel any pain.

We went over my options but sedation was never mentioned...maybe because of my, to quote him: petite compact stature. Bah Bah I say!
 
Well, I guess the foot surgery wasn't too tramatic as there was a big fat white egg in her cage this morning. It went straight to the trash since she is on meds, but its the thought that counts.

These white leghorns are crazy suckers but they sure do lay well. Both of mine look HORRIBLE from over-roostering. So raggedy. But they just won't molt..........The overkill roosters are long gone, but these hens just may be bald forever. My Jersey Giant hen who was half bald finally molted and looks glorious now.
 
Good Morning Y'all!
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Hope everyone's day is starting out wonderful and care free! Cynthia, how is little Maxie doing? Any improvement? Is she resting comfortably? Did she make it through the night?

Cetawin, just do it girl! After that third pill, like I said, you don't give a rats rear about anything once it starts to kick in. And up until it does, you feel just like your normal everyday self. I don't think a persons size has anything to do with the dosing. I'm small, just like you, and that was what was prescribed for me. So, by all rights, you should be able to utilize this as well. I wish I could remember the name of the sedative. Then you really could ask for it by name!
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Now, on to something very near and dear to my heart:

Folks, this has been nagging at my brain all night now. Yes, this concerns Evie and her foot, so put on your thinking and previous experience caps, please!

When I finished up with her foot last night, I was a bit disappointed and mildly surprised that the size of her foot had not decreased after digging out all of that yuck! Is this normal? Shouldn't the procedure have reduced the size of the swelling even just a little bit?

I have this nagging fear that maybe I didn't cut away enough to assure that I got it all. I spent a considerable amount of time trying to squeeze everything out of there, but it remained hard and all I ever got was some clear liquids and then blood.

This morning, she still isn't putting any pressure to speak of on that foot. She keeps it tucked half way up when she's standing, and when she lays down, she rolls a bit to her opposite side, as though she is trying to keep from putting any weight on it. Is this normal? Should I take the dressings off and go at it some more?
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I really have no idea what would be the proper course of action at this point, or if I should do anything at all? Like incubating, am I now at a point where I need to sit on my hands and let nature take its course? Help guys! Please! She's one of my extra special girls!
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Congrats Beth and Brandon!! Of course with UltraSuede, there was never any contest, was there?
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And Brandon, your little Jack is just gorgeous!
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I forgot I put Ultrasuede in that contest, but we are overjoyed to win! My man!
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Cetawin, you have all my sympathy- dentists are the WORST! I'll be thinking of you.

Cyn, how is Maxie today?

Amy and Nella, you both are my idols doing this foot stuff- I really hope I never have to face cutting into one of my babies.
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When we got back from town, Maxie was perkier, but her crop is still gassy. Of course, there's nothing I can do for the stuff in her tummy, but she has yogurt, ACV in her water for changing the crop pH and a bit of egg fried in olive oil. She isn't as purple today, but I know that is temporary. So, it's a waiting game.

Ladyhawk, much sympathy from me for your mouth pain. Your tablecloth is on its way to you now, though. Yippee!
 
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Obviously I don't know a single thing about cutting into them anywhere else, but as for issues with their feet, I can honestly say Beth, that it's not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. I had visions of Evie struggling every second of the procedure and making it just that much worse. But she remained relatively calm. Putting a sock over her head helped a great deal. Once her sight was restricted, she calmed right down!

The other part of this equation, at least in my mind, is having an assistant who is both fearless [or at least not squeamish] and compassionate with animals. I think Evie could sense that Morgan only wanted to help. Had I tried to have Denny help me, I'm pretty sure the outcome would have been much different and not for the better! He's a wonderful man, but sensitivity to the minds and dispositions of animals is not his strong suit!
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But all in all Beth, I'm sure that if push came to shove, you could do something similar with one of your babies as well. It's just a matter of gathering up all of your courage, pulling up your big girl pants and telling yourself that you can do this! That right, wrong or indifferent, it's better than doing nothing at all! At least the attempt has been made! No one [outside of a veterinarian] could ever fault you for that!
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So, don't be too quick to put me up on a pedestal, OK? Truth be told? I was petrified the first five minutes and didn't really breath easily until I had the foot wrapped and Evie ensconced on her own Princess's pillow in the pump house!
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