Self Blue Cochin Bantam

[cochin123]

i hatched 59 chicks from her with three black roos and all were black.and that pic was in a dark barn i will get one of her in the day light

 

[Krys109uk]

I ain't buyin' it. I don't think you're gonna get a color that even with Andalusian blue,

In UK it is a requirement of the standards for Andalusian blue in many breeds such as Pekin (known as cochin bantam in US), & wyandottes that the blue colour is to be "one even shade of blue throughout & quite clear of lacing".

Whether the OPs bird is or isn't lavender probably can't be ascertained from just that photo. There are other ways of finding out. A lavender bird will have a darker line up the shaft on the inner side of the flight & tail feathers, Andalusian blue can have darker shaft both the upper & under side of those feathers.​

 

[amazondoc]

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If that bird were Andalusian blue, there should have been some blue chicks by now.

ETA: here's the page on Andalusian and self-blue colors in Pekins, from the PekinBantam web site. You can see from the photos that the Andalusians are clearly different from the OP's bird:

http://www.pekinbantams.com/bluepekinsone.php

 

[Krys109uk]

You can see from the photos that the Andalusians are clearly different from the OP's bird

Andalusian blue has great variabilty of expression usually depending upon the melanising genes in the individual bird. It is ery unusual for two andalusian blue birds to be different shades of blue.

Rather than debating the point, it would be more informative for the OP to have a look at the shafts of the birds flights or tail, rather than trying to determine from a picture, which may or may not be an accurate dipiction of the bird's true colour.

 

[amazondoc]

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Andalusian blue has great variabilty of expression usually depending upon the melanising genes in the individual bird. It is ery unusual for two andalusian blue birds to be different shades of blue.

Rather than debating the point, it would be more informative for the OP to have a look at the shafts of the birds flights or tail, rather than trying to determine from a picture, which may or may not be an accurate dipiction of the bird's true colour.

I absolutely agree about direct observation of the bird. But I wasn't referring to the shade of blue in the pics. I was, rather, referring to the evenness of color in the OP's pic as opposed to the uneven color in the Andalusian blue photos. Lavender also seems to have a special "shine", to me, perhaps because the color is so even across all the feathers. Andalusian blue, OTOH, always seems to have variations both between and within feathers and a less shiny surface. IMHO!

In any case, it's hard to argue with 59 black chicks.

 

[Krys109uk]

In any case, it's hard to argue with 59 black chicks.

Quite so.

 

[cochinman2005]

In any case, it's hard to argue with 59 black chicks.

Quite so.

Agree, that it's unusual that you would get 59 Black chicks, from Black X Blue mating. Interested in seeing the photos of her outdoors in better light. Also, what color are her feet? She looks to be a yellow pigmented bird based upon her beak, which is great if she is a self-blue.


Also agree with amazondoc that the Self-Blues seem to have a "special shine" about them, whereas the Blue Cochins tend to be dull (muted) in color.

Could we also request a picture of the shaft color in the primaries and tail/cushion?​

 

[RonnieAtkeson]

She looks like a beutiful blue cochin to me. Not a lavender/self blue. Either way she is gorgous. My self blue orps are solid colour through out.

 

[Krys109uk]

Also, what color are her feet? She looks to be a yellow pigmented bird based upon her beak, which is great if she is a self-blue.

Curious.

That would imply that lavender birds are less likely to have yellow skin than andalusian blues? If so why? It ought not to be too difficult to solve. Just curious.

I know not a lot about cochins per se. I assume black, blue & lavender are to have black or blue shanks with yellow soles?​

 

[cochinman2005]

Standard description for legs and feet for Blue Cochins is much the same is Black Cochins. "Yellow to dusky yellow." Bottoms of feet yellow as well. Black or Blue shanks/and feet are considered a defect and not preferred for breeding purposes.

All the breeds in which Self-Blue is a variety (U.S.) call for slate/blue legs, with which comes white foot bottoms.

The Self-Blue Cochins I started with also had Blue legs, from which, when crossed with yellow legged Blacks, I got some of both. When those f1's were then crossed to produce f2 Self-Blues the majority were again blue legged, however, I do have a handful with yellow/dusky yellow feet and legs.

Since we will have to propose the standard color description once we get to the point of a qualifying meet, the assumption would be that yellow/dusky yellow would be the required foot color.

I believe from what I've read that the UK standard for Self-Blue Pekins also calls for yellow/dusky yellow legs and feet.

What will be interesting to see as I progress is whether the SB's with Blue legs differ at all in soundness of color from their yellow legged counterparts.

In the case of the Blue Andalusians, leg and foot color is black/slate, and they have white bottomed feet. Can't recall the exact standard description for their leg color off the top of my head at the moment.