Self Blue (Lavender) Orpington Proposed Standard Comment Thread
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Why does yours have 6 toes?
Why does yours have 6 toes?
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I must admit, I did not even count them. Just trying to cheer folks up!
Just trying to cheer folks up!
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Question on another thread:
What color is the toenails on the Self Blue/Lavender Orpington?
Just checked and ours shanks is a slate/leaden blue and the toenails are white.
What color is the toenails on the Self Blue/Lavender Orpington?
Just checked and ours shanks is a slate/leaden blue and the toenails are white.
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How is this generation lining up to the proposed Standard?
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I posted this on the "other" thread.
In 1921 a Canadian monk from Quebec presented his White Chantecler for acceptance in the Standard of Perfection. It was accepted. The first Canadian breed of chickens.
In 1935 a fellow from Alberta, Canada presented his Partridge Albertan for acceptance. It also was accepted...as the Partridge Chantecler. Seems its type was so close to the Chantecler that the Standards Committee renamed it the Partridge Chantecler.
No matter what any group of breeders, breed club or website calls the lav gene, the Standard has declared it once and for all, Self Blue.
In any case, BYC or any forum for that matter, is not the proper forum to discuss the color name. The proper forum would be the APA. In the more than 20 years I have been an Endowment Trust Life member (#195) of the American Poultry Association, I have never seen the Standards Committee swayed by popluar opinion. The Standard of Perfection has existed since 1874. Its committee considers it almost holy. The colors have stood the test of time. There were some breeds entered under alias names, but that has stopped.
In 1921 a Canadian monk from Quebec presented his White Chantecler for acceptance in the Standard of Perfection. It was accepted. The first Canadian breed of chickens.
In 1935 a fellow from Alberta, Canada presented his Partridge Albertan for acceptance. It also was accepted...as the Partridge Chantecler. Seems its type was so close to the Chantecler that the Standards Committee renamed it the Partridge Chantecler.
No matter what any group of breeders, breed club or website calls the lav gene, the Standard has declared it once and for all, Self Blue.
In any case, BYC or any forum for that matter, is not the proper forum to discuss the color name. The proper forum would be the APA. In the more than 20 years I have been an Endowment Trust Life member (#195) of the American Poultry Association, I have never seen the Standards Committee swayed by popluar opinion. The Standard of Perfection has existed since 1874. Its committee considers it almost holy. The colors have stood the test of time. There were some breeds entered under alias names, but that has stopped.
Light Braham & Light Sussex are Columbian color; Dark Brahma is Silver Pencilled etc
It was stated that the Standards Committee would look back into the name Lavender "sometime" in the future. It is very doubtful that it will ever happen. The only way is for those in favor of the term Lavender, to get a person in favor elected as President of the APA. Since most APA presidents have been judges, (Vi Halbach was not, but became a judge shortly after being elected), it is highly doubtful a licensed APA judge will go against the tradition of the SOP.
When accepted the following will most likely happen to these popular color names:
Coronation = Self Blue Columbian
Jubilee = Speckled
Lemon Cuckoo = Buff Barred or Buff Cuckoo
It is not written in concrete, but the dirt is very hard taht it is written in. Those that want to call the color Lavender can. Those that wish to call it Self Blue can. But for a proper description for a Variety Standard, we can only use what the SOP has accepted. That is the term Self Blue.
It was stated that the Standards Committee would look back into the name Lavender "sometime" in the future. It is very doubtful that it will ever happen. The only way is for those in favor of the term Lavender, to get a person in favor elected as President of the APA. Since most APA presidents have been judges, (Vi Halbach was not, but became a judge shortly after being elected), it is highly doubtful a licensed APA judge will go against the tradition of the SOP.
When accepted the following will most likely happen to these popular color names:
Coronation = Self Blue Columbian
Jubilee = Speckled
Lemon Cuckoo = Buff Barred or Buff Cuckoo
It is not written in concrete, but the dirt is very hard taht it is written in. Those that want to call the color Lavender can. Those that wish to call it Self Blue can. But for a proper description for a Variety Standard, we can only use what the SOP has accepted. That is the term Self Blue.
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Some of our Drew County 4-H Poultry Club's newest additions!
Self Blue d'Anver owned by Monticello Moderns aka Juliechick
Self Blue Old English Game Bantam owned by Drew County 4-H Poultry Club
Self Blue Cochin Bantam and
Self Blue Orpington LF owned by Hall Family Poultry.
Photo courtesy juliechick.
Self Blue d'Anver owned by Monticello Moderns aka Juliechick
Self Blue Old English Game Bantam owned by Drew County 4-H Poultry Club
Self Blue Cochin Bantam and
Self Blue Orpington LF owned by Hall Family Poultry.
Photo courtesy juliechick.
"From this moment forth, I vow to give my Gary the utmost in empty frivolity, to live by the standards of snail grooming set forth by...THAT guy!!" ~~ Spongebob Squarepants
I suppose I don't "get it".
Somewhere along the line, little groups of people got together and formed committees to tell OTHER people what their cats, dogs, and chickens should or shouldn't look like and decided for everyone else what perfection was.
Suppose the lavender orpington never reaches the standard of perfection set forth by...THAT guy! and the committee. As it stands, people love them. People think they are beautiful. I don't care what any judge or committee thinks. I don't need a group to tell me they are beautiful or desirable or that I should or shouldn't want them. For people like me, the only thing that matters is my own standard of perfection. If I ever sell chicks, it will be because people appreciate what I saw as beautiful or as perfection. They will take them and decide for themselves what THEY think is beautiful and what is perfection and breed their own accordingly.
I hope people don't stop breeding these birds based on the idea that they can't or won't get the approval of...THAT guy!
Whatever it is that is missing from these birds, well, I don't see it. My eye sees beauty. Period.
I suppose I don't "get it".
Somewhere along the line, little groups of people got together and formed committees to tell OTHER people what their cats, dogs, and chickens should or shouldn't look like and decided for everyone else what perfection was.
Suppose the lavender orpington never reaches the standard of perfection set forth by...THAT guy! and the committee. As it stands, people love them. People think they are beautiful. I don't care what any judge or committee thinks. I don't need a group to tell me they are beautiful or desirable or that I should or shouldn't want them. For people like me, the only thing that matters is my own standard of perfection. If I ever sell chicks, it will be because people appreciate what I saw as beautiful or as perfection. They will take them and decide for themselves what THEY think is beautiful and what is perfection and breed their own accordingly.
I hope people don't stop breeding these birds based on the idea that they can't or won't get the approval of...THAT guy!
Whatever it is that is missing from these birds, well, I don't see it. My eye sees beauty. Period.
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