Self Blue (Lavender) Silkie Thread

[Sonoran Silkies]

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I know its not porcelain. Many do not. But when a MB coins the name it sticks. Its not helpful.

Then there are a lot of people who breed silkies who make up all sorts of colour names for birds. There is nothing wrong with a mixed colour bird; it has its purpose if it pleases its owner or purchaser. And I will say that I do attach variety names to birds, but I do try to match the name I use to the genes the bird carries.

I have been trying to readapt porcelain to self blue apricot.

If I purchased silkie porcelain chicks or eggs, I would ABSOLUTELY expect them to carry two copies of lavender, and have all the correct genes for porcelain except mottle. I would be VERY unhappy if they did not show proper lavender dilution of both colours.

As well as I. But as I was just told last night reading email, one breeder is telling people to breed silver gened whites to buff. I about fell off my chair when I read what this ladies email said. And this is sad too.​

?!?!? Well, there might be a reason for breeding such together, but certainly not for porcelain. For porcelain you want a gold based bird; not a silver or golden one. Breeding any white to a coloured bird is usually frowned upon. IFF you are test breeding to determine the genetic makeup of the white, or if you KNOW the other genes present in the white, that can make some sense, but as a general rule? No.

For example, Robin has some "silver gened whites" that may well be something else, and she is doing some test breeding to determine what they might actually be. Or some folks get an occasional white hatch from non-white parents. Since they know the parents' genetic makeup, they also know the makeup carried by those specific whites.​

 

[robin416]

Suze, I was recently told that George had whites like this. The ones he called the smokey gene. He was getting blues and splashes out of these birds when they were paired up with a black bird.

 

[friedeggs]

?!?!? Well, there might be a reason for breeding such together, but certainly not for porcelain. For porcelain you want a gold based bird; not a silver or golden one. Breeding any white to a coloured bird is usually frowned upon. IFF you are test breeding to determine the genetic makeup of the white, or if you KNOW the other genes present in the white, that can make some sense, but as a general rule? No.

exactly. I agree, Thats why I mentioned it
I re read my post, I kinda just ended it instead of finishing my thought. oopsies.

For example, Robin has some "silver gened whites" that may well be something else, and she is doing some test breeding to determine what they might actually be. Or some folks get an occasional white hatch from non-white parents. Since they know the parents' genetic makeup, they also know the makeup carried by those specific whites.

the silvery silver whites. dubbed pearl.
I will be testing this spring with a white leghorn.
To discount the smokey thoughts.

Robin, have you noticed a change in feather quality? as in a much softer texture/feel? Like someone poured a ton of cream rinse over them?​

 

[bacres]

I feel we need to get the porcelain to be real porcelains with the mottled gene and all before we start calling them true porcelains.

 

[robin416]

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exactly. I agree, Thats why I mentioned it
I re read my post, I kinda just ended it instead of finishing my thought. oopsies.

For example, Robin has some "silver gened whites" that may well be something else, and she is doing some test breeding to determine what they might actually be. Or some folks get an occasional white hatch from non-white parents. Since they know the parents' genetic makeup, they also know the makeup carried by those specific whites.

the silvery silver whites. dubbed pearl.
I will be testing this spring with a white leghorn.
To discount the smokey thoughts.

Robin, have you noticed a change in feather quality? as in a much softer texture/feel? Like someone poured a ton of cream rinse over them?​

Yes, they have amazing feather quality and there is a ton of them. But what I've also managed to do is pull out a comb that is undesirable so that will need to be fixed.

 

[Muggsmagee]

Every once in a while I pick up a tidbit here and there on this thread. I have a gorgeous porcelain (project) silkie...too young to sex. I have a lavender and 2 buff silkies (potential show quality)...all still young, but I'm leaning towards pullets. I am hoping the porcelain is a roo.

Also, as far as the genetics issue, does this porcelain translate to other breeds? By using the same color cross breeding?

 

[friedeggs]

Yes, they have amazing feather quality and there is a ton of them. But what I've also managed to do is pull out a comb that is undesirable so that will need to be fixed.

Oh my. not a fun thing I know. Sorry to hear that, work on it you'll get it done

Every once in a while I pick up a tidbit here and there on this thread. I have a gorgeous porcelain (project) silkie...too young to sex. I have a lavender and 2 buff silkies (potential show quality)...all still young, but I'm leaning towards pullets. I am hoping the porcelain is a roo.

When I think of ''silkie''porcelain/self blue apricot I think of a melanized buff columbian- Golden lakenvelder/vorkwerk) 2 does lavender. Frankly to be honest it never dawned on me until last winter that is what they are (for me) when I started another project using them which a great man has already accomplished overseas, just not in a silkie. so this is what I see. take a look at the ones that are actually right (silkies porc/SBA's) and put the color back in black head, hackles, primaries, tail and add buff to the rest.
I don't claim to be an expert in genetics. I try only to speak on what I know as far as actual results for me.

Also, as far as the genetics issue, does this porcelain translate to other breeds? By using the same color cross breeding?

Silkie porcelain is not as described in the poultry standard for the variety.
For me I see a true porcelain on a silkie being a muddy looking bird. Take a look a silkie partridge. Where do you see pencilling on them? where ever you have feather barbing. shoulders, wings foot feathers, etc.
The actual color is not easy to maintain on a hard feathered bird for exhibition mix in shredding and how is one to judge or determine actual proper placement of the Flowering/motts?
Being an artisit, I try and imagine it visually. messy. And I think actually it had been tried by some breeders and the result was that they were muddy.
Again its just my opinion...... I mean no disrespect to readers​

 

[friedeggs]

Oh and for those who wonder and haven't seen one and are curious, here is a pearl.

I know these pop up in the whites.
color is stunning just like a pearl gem shining in the sun, the color on them does the same

 

[Majestic Lane Poultry]

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She was in the sunlight at the Frederick show and I wanted to take her home.

Gilda, as you know, I don't do WHITE birds but technically Pearl is not WHITE!

 

[Donna McCormick]

That is for sure. They are not white. It is difficult to tell they are Pearl, unless you have them next to another bird that is actually white. They stick out like a sore thumb in a flock of whites. I'm glad you saw one in the sun at the show because they really do illuminate a spectrum of color in the sun. Friedeggs is going to do a little test breeding with this color and perhaps this will give us an insight to just what is going on here.