Set of weird symptoms, what could it be?

[EggSighted4Life]

Oh boy... don't I know life happens?!!! Congrats on the expanding family! What a blessing.

I don't vaccinate either... don't want Marek's hiding on my flock. And cocci is irrelevant as a vaccination to me.

But I do think cocci is a possibility and would treat with the Corid.

Though it could be detected by a flock fecal float... and NO you might not have gotten rid of all the worms inside the birds. Round worms and tape are the only two that can be seen in droppings. All others stay in the intestine and only the oocysts (essentially microscopic eggs) will pass in the droppings. I'm not familiar with which wormers treat which worms or the correct dosage and time frame for them. So it's possible a float *might* tell you something. But it also might not.

What I would do... get some electrolytes and probiotics in the water to combat the diarrhea. Or offer a little yogurt on the side.

I like Poultry Nutri drench... but there are a few other supplements that are supposed to be really good but haven't tried yet. I wouldn't use any vitamin to supplement during treatment with Corid since it work by acting as a thiamine blocker to starve out and slow the growth of cocci while the chickens own immune system learn to fight it off better. Make sure no other water sources are available.... also wonder how has your weather been since it can impact this.

I might just offer the egg scrambled. I wonder, since feed impact poo color if the syringed yolk had any effect? Being off feed definitely does.

Lots of homemade electrolyte recipes.. I use the first recipe, but with brown sugar...
https://104homestead.com/poultry-electrolytes/

They won't starve... but dehydration or electrolyte imbalance can be deadly.... not to be a fear monger.. just sharing.

 

[chickenmomma16]

Oh boy... don't I know life happens?!!! Congrats on the expanding family! What a blessing.

I don't vaccinate either... don't want Marek's hiding on my flock. And cocci is irrelevant as a vaccination to me.

But I do think cocci is a possibility and would treat with the Corid.

Though it could be detected by a flock fecal float... and NO you might not have gotten rid of all the worms inside the birds. Round worms and tape are the only two that can be seen in droppings. All others stay in the intestine and only the oocysts (essentially microscopic eggs) will pass in the droppings. I'm not familiar with which wormers treat which worms or the correct dosage and time frame for them. So it's possible a float *might* tell you something. But it also might not.

What I would do... get some electrolytes and probiotics in the water to combat the diarrhea. Or offer a little yogurt on the side.

I like Poultry Nutri drench... but there are a few other supplements that are supposed to be really good but haven't tried yet. I wouldn't use any vitamin to supplement during treatment with Corid since it work by acting as a thiamine blocker to starve out and slow the growth of cocci while the chickens own immune system learn to fight it off better. Make sure no other water sources are available.... also wonder how has your weather been since it can impact this.

I might just offer the egg scrambled. I wonder, since feed impact poo color if the syringed yolk had any effect? Being off feed definitely does.

Lots of homemade electrolyte recipes.. I use the first recipe, but with brown sugar...
https://104homestead.com/poultry-electrolytes/

They won't starve... but dehydration or electrolyte imbalance can be deadly.... not to be a fear monger.. just sharing.

Okay I will set them up with Corid in a little bit, it’s been a terrible week with my grandpa in the hospital and rehab and visiting him(an hour away), and now in-laws just called they will be here in 2 hours... time for frantic house clean in addition to taking care of my birds.



Our weather was FINALLY warming up a tad but we’re are back to cold and rain. Or place is very wet, the wild ducks hang out in the pasture it’s so wet.

Will they be okay with electrolytes in the same water as the Corid? Or should I wait? I can head out after the in-laws leave and pick up what ever is needed. So my plan forward is:

*Continue antibiotics (I don’t have a scale so dosage is an issue... suggestions with that? I have LF)
*Give Corid (need to look up proper dose)
*Add electrolytes and probiotics
*Stop the raw yolk and maybe just do nutri drench? Or see if they will eat scrambled egg first because of the Corid for now.

How does that sound?


Edited to add: I do see most of them drinking water from my kitchen window.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Well, I'm not sure... but I know human antibiotics can actually cause diarrhea, so maybe that is having some impact. I personally would DC, but am certainly NO vet. And there are a few people with quite a bit more knowledge in that area than me. I have never treated my birds with anti biotics and don't know if I would... simply it's survival of the fittest in my breeding program (to a degree). Though I will do what I can to help everybody thrive. If I had started a course of antibiotics though... I might finish it... since resistance has become a huge issue. Are their sinuses red or swollen, anything coming from the nostrils? Sneezing, coughing, raspy breath sounds? Do you suspect respiratory illness?

I THINK electrolytes in the Corid water would be OK... but NO nutri drench or other vitamin supplement during Corid treatment. And I'm honestly not sure about electrolytes. If nobody is actively appear to be failing, MAYBE wait. Wet weather... I suspected since you are in Washington. I know @casportpony probably has those dosages memorized.

Oh gosh... even though I love my mother and father in LOVE (let's face it it isn't the law that keeps us together) ... it is still hard getting together.

Sometimes when you throw too many fixes at an issue it can become a little mixed up symptom wise. Might be good to take it back to the basic...

Corid water and dry feed. Or moistened with a little corid water maybe to pique interest? Or even the scrambled egg sometimes. They won't starve and if it is cocci... it can be gut wrenching which makes food intake less. They will actively start taking in more feed as recover begins to take place... who knows you might be starting to see some recovery already... Sometimes we do get sick before we get better.

The drooling is what has me wondering... And gasping.

 

[Eggcessive]

I would just give the Corid for now. I don’t think that antibiotics are necessary since we don’t really know what is wrong for sure. They don’t cure egg yolk peritonitis anyway, if the hen has that. I was just telling you what antibiotics are available. Some just throw them out there if they see a sickness they cannot identify.
Don’t use the electrolytes especially if they have vitamins in them while on Corid.

 

[Eggcessive]

I can give dosages later if you decide to use antibiotics. Injectable Tylan can be given orally, but injectable penicillin G has to be given by injection into the breast muscle, not ever orally.

 

[chickenmomma16]

I don’t think it’s egg yolk peritonitis because 2 roosters have the same symptoms. I have 4-5 hens and 2 roosters with the same symptoms.

I have Tylan 50 + syringes/needles and I did give them a dose last night IM. The 2 roosters and 1 hen were gasping yesterday but have stopped as of this morning. I have not given anymore antibiotics due to the conflicting info and I don’t have a scale so I can’t dose them accurately sounds like. I’d say they are average weight for LF. One rooster is a bit bigger than everyone.

One rooster still has a lot of saliva in his mouth and gurgling/raspy voice (he’s the one I thought was going to die last night) but the hens and other rooster seem to be a bit better in that area.

This is driving me crazy!

 

[Eggcessive]

The egg looking matter in one of the pictures is what I was basing my quess of EYP. It is fairly common.
What are the hen’s breeds, and the rooster? For a 5 pound hen the dosage of Tylan would be 1 ml. A 7 pound hen—about 1.4 ml, 8 pounds—1.6 ml, and 2 ml for a 10 pounder. Tylan dosage is flexable, but I would usually give 0.2 ml per pound, 2-3 times daily. More can be given safely up to 0.8 ml (20mg per pound.) Plumbs Vet Drug Handbook says to give 10-40 mg per Kg (5-20mg per pound roughly) 2-3 times daily for 3-5 days. I would give it orally, a drop at a time letting them swallow.

I would look into the rooster’s throat with a light for any yellow patches. He may be dealing with a respiratory disease. Gurgling is usually respiratory, but it sometimes it from a crop problem. Check his crop in early morning when it should be flat and empty.

 

[chickenmomma16]

The egg looking matter in one of the pictures is what I was basing my quess of EYP. It is fairly common.
What are the hen’s breeds, and the rooster? For a 5 pound hen the dosage of Tylan would be 1 ml. A 7 pound hen—about 1.4 ml, 8 pounds—1.6 ml, and 2 ml for a 10 pounder. Tylan dosage is flexable, but I would usually give 0.2 ml per pound, 2-3 times daily. More can be given safely up to 0.8 ml (20mg per pound.) Plumbs Vet Drug Handbook says to give 10-40 mg per Kg (5-20mg per pound roughly) 2-3 times daily for 3-5 days. I would give it orally, a drop at a time letting them swallow.

I would look into the rooster’s throat with a light for any yellow patches. He may be dealing with a respiratory disease. Gurgling is usually respiratory, but it sometimes it from a crop problem. Check his crop in early morning when it should be flat and empty.

Looked in his mouth, no yellow. Flat, empty crop. Thick foamy saliva in his mouth however.
They are all Wheaten Ameraucanas that are sick. All at the same time in the same coop. I have 4 gold sex links that are fine in the same coop and a lone wheaten rooster in a separate pen(shares a wall in the coop however) that is unaffected (he is waiting his turn with the ladies).

I’d guess the hens are 4/5 pounds max and the big rooster may be pushing 6.5/7 pounds max. Ameraucanas aren’t huge.

Crops are empty. Empty during the day and when I check them at bed time.

I just went out and set the Corid up and everyone ate some dried meal worms including the super sick guy. I set him up a lg dog crate with his own Corid water and food. I think he liked it. He was hiding in a nest box previously and that is a no go for me. Hate poopy dirty eggs!

 

[chickenmomma16]

So it’s been 24 hours with Corid and no significant change. Everyone is still alive, and the sick ones have empty crops at bedtime still.

*There is one new symptom however!*

Someone asked if there was yellow in their mouth. I was thinking yellow skin or saliva or something else and didn’t see that in the bird I initially looked at but tonight I looked in ALL the sick birds mouths for good measure and what do you know! I found something!
There are these small, whiteish spots in some of their mouths. More flat then raised, kinda like a canker sore in our mouths. I don’t have a picture but I will try to get one tomorrow. Now I’m off to see what I can find!