Sex-link with Coryza (update) - how long for Tylan to work?

[Sonoran Silkies]

Both First State Veterinary Supply and Jeffers have a vaccine against coryza. Peter Brown told me that EVERY bird in the flock (ages 4 weeks and above) should be vaccinated, and that the vaccine will not produce a carrier state. Birds have to be re-vaccinated a 2nd time a few weeks later (some of the coryza vaccines say 3 weeks; others say 4 weeks--read the information for the one you acquire).

Tylan 200 is WAY too strong to use on chickens--you would need to drastically dilute it--much better to get tylan 50 or tylan soluble. Baytril is best, but as was said, you need a prescription. It is available as both tablets and injection; both in several strengths. Flock-wide treatment with baytril is specifically disallowed by the FDA.

 

[dukecitychick]

I found Tylan-50 and just gave her the first shot. I kind of wrapped her up in a towel on her side and used one arm to hold her down and the other hand to swab her and stick her. Eek! I've never given a shot before, and I myself absolutely hate getting stuck with needles! Maybe this will help me overcome that fear! Definitely would have been easier with two people. She struggled a lot, but I think it was more from not being able to breath than from the needle - she was actually calm when I finally got a good stick.

I looked around for dosing and found a post that said 1 mL for a 1kg bird, so I gave her 1 cc. Is that too much?

I also put some Neosporin on her eye that's swelled shut, to maybe help it from getting crusted shut in the event the swelling goes down.

The other birds still look fine. I will look into getting the vaccine for them. My friends who had our chickens live in a colder part of town (by the river) so I'm hoping that now that they're all home the rest of them won't be so stressed out and susceptible.

 

[dukecitychick]

Okay, I got up super early to give her shot #2 with help from husband before he left for work. It might just be because she was asleep and relaxed, but her breathing sounds better this morning. We got some more water down her throat, and she ate a tiny bit of bread with olive oil. I also gave her some molasses mixed with water, but now I'm worried that it may have gone down her lungs.

Is it bad to force water mixed with stuff on a bird with respiratory issues? My husband thought it might end up in her lungs and feed the bacteria, but she didn't eat anything yesterday and I wanted her to have SOME calories. She's not drinking on her own, so we're kind of pushing the needle-less syringe into the corner of her mouth and injecting fluid. Sometimes she swallowed it, sometimes she kind of spit it out. Any thoughts? I don't know anything about chicken esophageal reflexes!

Thanks!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

If water goes into their lungs, they die. If you give liquids with a syringe, you need to either give a bit on the tip of their tongue, or push the syringe as far down their throat as possible. In either case only a bit at a time. Better to soak some bread and see if she will eat that, or mash some boiled eggs, mix yogurt & rice--anything that she will eat, plus a bit of moisture.

1cc = 1 ml

 

[dukecitychick]

How long will it take to see improvement from the Tylan-50?

After the first shot I thought she got a lot better (her breathing sounded better) but since then she started rattling again and has pretty much stayed the same. She'll eat a tiny bit of scratch, but nothing else, and won't take water except what we give to her in a syringe. Her one sinus is still incredibly swollen and that eye swollen shut - I've been putting Neosporin on it and she has been able to open it a crack a few times.

We have given 1cc/day for 4 days now. I have read to treat for 3-4 days, while some other posts have people injecting Tylan until the bird recovers. Could anyone with experience treating Coryza with Tylan please chime in? I have seen recommendations for Baytril and sulfas, but I'm not going to the vet and I'd rather try to treat with the medicine I already bought.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Open her beak and look at the roof of her mouth--I am guessing that it is filled with cheesy pus. You need to get that out of her nose and mouth. Use a qtip or even a tooth pick. You can apply pressure from the top of her nose pushing towards the tip. That will help expell it, and you might well find htat some comes out through her eyes, too. Get as much out as you can--you may need to repeat for a day or so. Then flush her nostrils with a tylan solution. This should help a lot.

 

[solarquail]

Quote:
Sadly if she has corzya then she will always be a "carrier" i had it and i put all the sick ones down and my flock is just fine now it was the cheapest most saddest way to do it but i guess i had to do what i had to do

 

[dukecitychick]

Sonoran Silkies - do I use the Tylan injectable solution to flush her nostrils? And do I go outside -> in? I don't think I'm going to be able to clean out her nose/mouth - she is super squirrelly. I've been trying to wipe the outsides of her nares with a Q-tip and some days she'll barely let me do that!

And, yes, I know Coryza isn't curable. I mentioned in an earlier post that I'm going to be putting all 4 of these birds down next summer anyways, so it's not really an issue. But I already bought the Tylan-50 and I'd like to give her a chance to recover if she can, I just don't know how long it takes, and I don't want to be prolonging her suffering beyond the feasible window of recovery.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

from https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=387261, post #30:

#30 03/13/2008 11:24 pm
pips&peeps
There is no "I" in Ameraucana

From: Newman Lake, WA
Registered: 01/18/2008
Posts: 3443
E-mail PM Website Re: my chicken has swollen eye with bubbling liquidI got this info from Peter Brown tonight....



Hey Jean:

I have seen this many times before. The underlying causes are many. Things such as E.coli, Pseudomonas,Coryza, Bronchitis,etc.

I would Nasal Flush the bird using Oxine or Tylan 50 with sterile water. I would then apply either eye drops or eye ointment to the eye several times daily.

DIRECTIONS FOR TREATING SINUSITIS WITH SWOLLEN EYES




NASAL FLUSH USING TYLAN 50 OR LA-200

USING 12 CC’S OF STERILE WATER ADD 2 CC OF TYLAN 50 OR 1 CC OF LA-200 AND THEN FLUSH EACH NOSTRIL( USING A SYRINGE WITH THE NEEDLE REMOVED ) WITH 3 TO 4 CC’S TWICE PER DAY FOR 5 TO 7 DAYS. THE BIRDS HEAD SHOULD BE HELD DOWN SO AS NOT TO SWALLOW TO MUCH OF THE TYLAN SOLUTION.

FOLLOW THE FLUSHING WITH VET-RX SQUIRTED LIBERALLY INTO EACH NOSTRIL. DO THIS AFTER EACH FLUSHING.

USING THE EYE OINTMENTS IS A CRITICAL PART OF GETTING THE SWELLING TO GO DOWN. USE THE EYE OINTMENT EVERY 2 TO 3 HOURS DURING THE DAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. YOU SHOULD USE IT AT LEAST TWICE PER DAY. START IN ONE CORNER OF THE EYE AND LAY DOWN A SMALL STRIP OF THE EYE OINTMENT FROM ONE CORNER OF THE EYE TO THE OTHER CORNER OF THE EYE.

IT MAY ALSO BE HELPFUL TO FLUSH THE EYE ONCE PER DAY WITH AN OVER THE COUNTER HUMAN EYE WASH THAT IS BORIC ACID BASED AND THEN PROCEED WITH THE NASAL FLUSHING AS DESCRIBED ABOVE. THE EYE WASHES ARE READILY AVAILABLE IN ALL DRUG STORES.

IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO USE MORE POWERFUL ANTIBIOTICS TO CURE THIS SWOLLEN EYE PROBLEM. IF YOU ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS , PLEASE CALL ME SO THAT WE MAY DISCUSS YOUR SITUATION AND MAKE ANY NECESSARY CHANGES.


TYLAN 50 OR LA-200 - 2 TO 3 DROPS DIRECTLY INTO THE EYE TWICE A DAY FOLLOWED BY THE EYE OINTMENT TWICE PER DAY FOR 5 TO 7 DAYS

CILOXAN EYE DROPS GIVEN AT THE RATE OF 2 TO 3 DROPS IN THE AFFECTED EYE 2 TO 3 TIMES A DAY FOR 5 TO 7 DAYS


Ciprofloxacin Eye drops or Chloramphenicol Eye Ointment available in the online store on this site.

This should take care of the problem.

Keep us posted if you will.

Keep em Healthy,

Doc


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Jean

SELF PROFESSED AMERAUCANA KNOW IT ALL
Western District Director Ameraucana Breeders Club

There are also other posts on using a flush, but htat was the first one that came up on my search, and it pretty much lays it all out.​

 

[dukecitychick]

Thanks - we just did a Tylan nasal flush for her following those directions. Kind of like a chicken neti pot! I also looked at the back of her throat and it actually looks clear - there was a little flake of yellow gunk on the side, but nothing huge. She was pretty worked up by that point so I didn't try to stick a qtip in her mouth.

Poor thing, she's molting too on top of all of this!

So nobody has a time frame for recovery?