no I haven't; thanks for the advice. I may have to settle for watching them move, at least till dark, since I haven't ever held Killay or Amadeo, or I think Chirk (at least I don't remember ever holding him; he'll be 4 next month), and Fforest only briefly. I didn't notice anyone limping earlier, but they knew I was watching so probably hid anything. I'll have to cam up and be sneaky...I assume you've checked combs and wattles but have you checked their feet, particluarly the soles of their feet? Sometimes if they've been fighting a foot strike catches the sole of the opponants defending foot.