Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

Shadrach, here's an interesting observation. As you know the hens sleep in a fox proof coop, spend their days in a big run, and as much time as possible foraging in the backyard (at present I'm working at home so they're foraging from 2pm-8pm).

Their very favourite spot to be is in the back porch, with its concrete floor, which they freely choose to spend *hours* in. Seems odd to me, although I won't argue because a passing hawk won't see them, they have water and pellets in there, and there's a cool breeze from inside the house. I'm getting used to cleaning up the poops and anyway it gives me a chance to check on their digestion.

Outside is a lovely thick shrub. Also nice and cool, with cool fresh water. They're just not interested.
I have mentioned before, lots, what a massive difference having a rooster makes. The hens will try to congregate near their rooster.
If you went and sat under the bush I expect the hens would join you there. I think a lot of the close to house behaviour people see is hens trying to be close to whoever/whatever they perceive as their rooster.
 
There are a few sort of interrelated topics running through this thread.

There is my disgust at Pear Tree Farms and to a certain extent C who got these Ex Batts and my reservations about the whole chicken rescue business.

There is the what is a proper chicken debate.

There is the day to day progress of these Rescues and Ex Batts.

Running through these are various studies and views on which I hope we may come to some consensus that will help with understanding the chicken and why there is a problem in the first place.

There are a couple of things that I suggest are reasonably well established.

Chickens have been around for around 8000 years.

According to people who have studied the history of the chicken along with those who have studied the biology of the chicken, the chicken hasn’t changed much in anything apart from looks for at least 5000 of those years.

Most important is the science says chicken behaviour hasn’t really changed in the 5000 year period either. They’ve been doing the same stuff wherever they been taken.

To know what that stuff that chickens do is, they have to be observed doing it and all over the world there are people who do know what chickens do because the chicken is one of the few domesticated creatures that have coexisted with humans rather than being kept by humans for centuries. The average Asian village kid could probably tell us more about how chickens behave than most studies and that is because of how chickens have been kept in a great many places in the world.

The great advantage, particularly for the poor is the chicken is completely omnivorous and self replicating. You get a couple of hens and a rooster feed them kitchen scraps, perhaps provide them with some form of rudimentary shelter and the chickens take care of themselves. They tend not to wander far from their source of food and water and even with fairly sparse forage they will survive and the hens will lay eggs which the human looks for and collects. Most villages I’ve visited in Asia still have chickens running around free range as do the villages in Africa my niece has visited with her studies and even here on BYC the occasional poster from Iran, or China shows up and posts pictures of chickens living much as I’ve described above. There were a number of places in Catalonia I visited where chickens were kept like this, not even provided with any special housing; they just roosted where they felt safe around the farms and even did this in some of the small towns. There aren’t many other domesticated creatures I can think of that will live like this apart from some breeds of goats.

When I lived in Catalonia I tried to replicate the “traditional” way of keeping chickens, encouraging what were quite highly domesticated breeds to live a semi feral life in order to study their behaviour.

I’ve written lots about them all over BYC but two things were very noticeable. The Marans got progressively slimmer each generation and more broody. The bantams didn’t change much in size but tended to be more feral than the early generations of Marans. The cross breeds tended to be stocky but smaller then the Marans and they also became more feral to the point that they were pro tree huggers in a single generation. They all went broody at least once a year. If I hadn’t limited the number of eggs they sat on I would have had hundreds of chickens. Of course, many would have died through predation but the climate and environment was just warm enough withjust enough forage that should I have been able to continue I would have had feral chicken populations running around the National Park, much like my friend with his Fayoumies.

In 1923 a Mrs Wilmer Steele of Delaware USA changed all this when she developed what was probably the first chicken battery of 500 hens, and about three years later a battery barn for 10000 hens.

Life for the chicken has gone downhill very rapidly since.

Before these events chickens on average laid less than 100 eggs a year. Breeders in the USA set about trying to increase the number of eggs a hen could lay and by the end of the Second World War hens in the USA were laying up to 250 eggs a year.

What doesn’t often get mentioned s the hens life expectancy reduced in line with her higher productivity.

The American battery system got promoted throughout the industrialised countries and along with this came further breeding “improvements” and chicken meat became commonplace where before it had been a bit of a luxury with only roosters being eaten from the hen’s clutches because the unaltered hen would lay a modest amount of eggs for around ten years instead of lots of eggs in her first two.

For many small farms, particularly outside the USA the hen was a low cost regular source of protein and roosters were kept in order for the chickens to reproduce.

With the increasing availability of electric power the incubator superseded the hen and we headed to the situation we are in today where you can pick a chick out of a supermarket bin for less than a dollar I’m told in the USA, that has never seen an adult chicken let alone it’s mother or siblings and will probably never know the life that it’s ancestors had lived for thousands of years before.

Oh, a picture for By Bob because he's moaned about the amount he has to read.View attachment 2928215
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Thanks for thinking of me. 😁
 
I forgot to mention that the film Chicken Run is based around the story of Wilma Steel who is the farmers wife in the film.

That I did not know but I will enjoy it all the more knowing that. 👍
 
yes, but all the hens they used were highly bred; the 'moderately productive' lines no doubt stem from unnaturally few inbred, back bred, ancestor stock, just like the 'highly productive' lines. And there were very small samples of each (biggest group = 18, 2 were 13). I think they need to try it with some chickens that have been subjected to a lot less artificial selection, and with more. In my flock of 20 there are definitely very varied intelligence levels displayed.
I agree but still an interesting read despite the shortfalls.
 
I assumed the main issue was food, which is much less available in the winter in cold places.

I've seen several people on this forum report that their chickens find less food while free ranging, and require more purchased food, at temperatures where the people do not notice or mention any behavioral changes in the chickens. Yes, they might be missing behavioral changes-- but they are certainly noticing that the chickens eat more of the food they buy.
This is pretty straightforward. I have noted and watched.

I mainly notice an uptake in feed consumption once the ground is covered in snow. If they are permitted to free range my 1/3 acre lot the six hens still manage to find enough to eat that their use of commercial feed remains consistent.

If the ground is snow covered they will not even leave the coop and run so it is all feed at that point.

It is unusual for snow cover here to last for more than a couple weeks at a time. Last winter we had over 8 consectutive weeks of snow cover. It was a difficult winter for the tribe and I had 1 hen in particular that was exhibiting behaviors consistent with the negative effect of self confinement as she refused to go out on the snow. They all had the opportunity to leave but only my Polish and Barred Rock would explore the winter wonderland.

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I have mentioned before, lots, what a massive difference having a rooster makes. The hens will try to congregate near their rooster.
If you went and sat under the bush I expect the hens would join you there. I think a lot of the close to house behaviour people see is hens trying to be close to whoever/whatever they perceive as their rooster.
Even though nobody squats for me any more (it was Dotty that led that rebellion) I am still clearly the rooster from a protection point of view.
As some of you know, the Chicken Palace is large (I think Shad thinks it is too large) and the Princesses have a choice of predator secure coop, covered run, and open pasture runs.
In addition I have a fenced area where they can sort of free-range but only when I supervise. This open area is also quite large and I have noticed they always choose to forage near where I have decided to sit. It is actually an easy way to get them to go onto new ground simply by moving my chair.
This has puzzled me because though the area is large it is not so large that they cannot see me from every point in the yard, but they are clearly more relaxed if they are within about 5-6' of me.
I feel honored to be able to perform this duty for them.
 
These are great photos of how this tribe reacts to what they consider to be cold weather. I spent some time looking for photos of mine on the roost last night but can't find the temperature reference to go with them. It's not as easy to search BYC as I would like.

What I can say is that the temperature here has gotten down to -10°F and there is no evidence of them roosting next to each other. They maintain their distance from each other no matter the temperature. It was about 28°F when I took this one.

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Here's my chickens this morning at -22C
IMG_20211216_071641.jpg some of them definitely huddle together. But they aren't even all on the same roosting bar when there's clearly still room up there. 🤷‍♀️

Younger chickens all pile in the nesting boxes though, make a nice mess for me to clean out every morning. IMG_20211216_071654.jpg
 
Woods (of Modern Fresh Air Poultry Houses fame) claimed that the sort of coops he was recommending were "wholly satisfactory in severe northern climates where...temperatures may drop to 30 or even 40 below zero"; his book p. 181, citing testimony of preceding chapters.
 

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