Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

Livestock guardian dogs and human Shepard's were used in most areas before efficient ways to eliminate them.
Some European countries are using dogs again.
Mastiff dogs protect livestock from wolves in Spain https://share.google/X0VP7Y4gCS6PE7WvY


I'm very grateful that I don't have to deal with wolves, bears and large cats
The wildlife specialist are happy the wolf returned in the Netherlands for a natural balance of wildlife. The wolf causes problems too and many people don’t like it that the wolves live here. Our country is so densely populated and many people like to recreate in the forests. Some wolfs are very daring and even come in peoples back garden.

Recently a mean wolf attacked/has bitten children (not kill) out of the blue and a large forest has warning signs not to enter. In general wolfs are protected, but for this mean wolf there is allowance to kill. The increase of the number of wolves seems to get more and more problematic. But biting incidents with dogs still outnumber the incidents with wolves.

I think there are also more sheep getting killed by dogs than by wolves in the Netherlands (not sure , I have t seen recent statistics).
People tend to blame the wolf after a kill. Investigation (to get paid) often shows it wasn’t a wolf but a dog who killed the sheep. And there us another strange thing going on. Many sheep farmers dont want to make better fences. The cost are low bc the government helps to pay for the materials. But some farmers dont bc if a wolf attacks their sheep, they get paid for the damage.
 
I would like to offer a caution; do not let yourself become the groups rooster!
It's easily done with a group that has had males in it. The hens will look to the keeper for all those things they expected from the rooster. You can't do it, none of it really.
This is why I have 5, the 4 get along very well, and Goldie is doing an amazing job with his little group of hens, and they are all great with the hens. I can't imagine life without the roosters to manage the ranging and sorting out the nesting.

Chickens know chickening best and our only job is to feed, water and clean up after them. With the weather returning to normal, they are all just foraging, dust bathing most of the day and it is the most peaceful, serene environment.
 
Yeah I know, some experiments are also done in the Netherlands with this. I personally don't like livestock guardian dogs, feels like inviting the enemy into my home. I also read in the news a while back someone had a donkey for protecting sheep. But because bystanders complained the donkey was too lonely the farmer decided to get rid of it. To be fair this is kind of the point, if there was a second donkey then they wouldn't stay with the sheep and then the sheep aren't protected. But the donkey does still have social interactions with the sheep, so still less lonely than dog keepers which leave their dog alone for 9 hours a day :idunno
If we had a livestock guardian dog, it would be sleeping on my bed, like our other 2. 😝
 
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It's all hard decisions. I've yet to find a way of avoiding them and that, though it may not seem so in many circumstances, is probably good for the keeper and usually good for the chickens.
For some of us, we inadvertently become part of the group. Many and I include myself, get more attached to one particular individual than another.
None of it is straightforward in my experience.
You may recall I had to kill Dig, son of Henry because of how he treated the hens. Dragging hens off nests and then trying to force them to mate just isn't acceptable in my view; it doesn't matter how nice he is to me and given the size difference and the tolerance of Henry and his hens to my behavior, I would call a cockerel who behaved like that a kind of coward; don't piss of the big chicken. At least with a cockerel that tries to flog you when he thinks he's protecting the hens, mostly, and who shows some respect towards the hens and his father where applicable is likely to prove popular with the hens and intelligent enough to come to some arrangement in time. It's great when one gets both, keeper friendly and liked and wanted by the hens. I can think of lots of instances where the hens adored their rooster, sometimes I just couldn't see the attraction, other times such as Harold and Bluespot I could see exactly why there were such a good couple and Harold was well respected by all, his tribe or not.
If Dig had worked out I wouldn't be in the current situation of having to find and introduce a new male with all the risks that entails. I had tried to plan for Henry's death hoping for a son to take over. That all went badly wrong and I've been doing this chicken thing for over twenty years.View attachment 4192809:confused:

I would like to offer a caution; do not let yourself become the groups rooster!
It's easily done with a group that has had males in it. The hens will look to the keeper for all those things they expected from the rooster. You can't do it, none of it really.

Thank you.
Yes, I do remember Dig, and the stress he caused. It’s an unfortunate thing to have to, ending the life of a male because he couldn’t behave around the one thing he was meant to.

Oh I’d be absolutely horrified if I took on the rooster roles! It’s been years since any of the ranging hens (if you exclude that incident with the senior hen) have crouched for me, or looked to me for anything regarding male duties. I’d very much like to keep it that way. Hopefully this newer batch grows big and strong, with a male or two to take over.
That should be fun to see as well, by the time he’ll have reached sexual maturity, some of the hens will be nearing 6 years old. I doubt they’ll be easily impressed
 
Barring is on the Z gene. Hens are ZW, roos ZZ. When someone is talking about double barred, that can only be a roo. Single barred can be hen or roo (1 Z with, 1 Z without). A barred hen can ONLY pass barring on to her male offspring (the female offspring the W from mama). A double barred roo will pass the barring to ALL his offspring. A single barred roo will pass barring to 50% of his offspring. The huge head spot usually (not entirely accurate) indicates double barred. The small head spot indicates single barred. Whether gender can be determined from that depends upon the barring of both parents and is only mostly accurate when roo is double barred and hen is barred.

Thank you! I’m pretty sure that both of the barred males weren’t double barred.
Schrödingers barred male!

And that is why one should use his poor excuse of a brain a little when he’s typing, and not do it completely mechanically. Most embarrassing part of this is that while typing it out, I thought “Wait, did I type male twice? Nah, definitely not.” :oops:
 
Recently a mean wolf attacked/has bitten children (not kill) out of the blue and a large forest has warning signs not to enter. In general wolfs are protected, but for this mean wolf there is allowance to kill. The increase of the number of wolves seems to get more and more problematic. But biting incidents with dogs still outnumber the incidents with wolves.
There was a conference recently and basically wolf ecologists from other European countries were very suprised. In the Netherlands the wolves seek humans way more than they should even if we are more densly populated. This also causes people to lose trust in wolf ecologists as this wasn't what they predicted.
I think there are also more sheep getting killed by dogs than by wolves in the Netherlands (not sure , I have t seen recent statistics).
People tend to blame the wolf after a kill. Investigation (to get paid) often shows it wasn’t a wolf but a dog who killed the sheep. And there us another strange thing going on. Many sheep farmers dont want to make better fences. The cost are low bc the government helps to pay for the materials. But some farmers dont bc if a wolf attacks their sheep, they get paid for the damage.
I thought this too, but got my ass handed to my when discussing it. In predated sheep wolves are the cause for about 85% of the time, while dogs and foxes are the cause 10% of the time.
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Yeah sadly even though by law you need to protect your livestock against predators all wolf kills get paid out regardless if they were protected or not. I know there was an Italian study that showed this does not cause acceptence towards wolves in the slightest. Wished my government looked at studies like that.
 
Excellent cake. Looks like you're offsetting it with a healthy, shaksuka-type savory dish.

I recently had a very southern US craving for banana pudding and made a batch that nearly put DH and I into sugar coma. You mix sour cream, cream cheese, condensed milk, and cool whip into the pudding. I couldn't find the gluten-free nilla wafers so baked gluten-free white cake and put chunks of it under the pudding. Ridiculous.

Also made "company casserole" from a recipe dug out of my mom's old recipe cards from the 1980s. Has anyone heard of it? We ate it a lot when I was a kid: beef and tomato sauce over layers of noodles and layers of a mix of cream cheese, sour cream, green pepper, and green onions.

I don't know if I liked it back then. I went vegetarian as soon as I was old enough to cook, through my 20s. But I'd been craving this nostalgic dish for the past few years and finally remembered to ask my mom what the recipe was. She plunked that old, red acrylic box of recipe cards on the kitchen table, and all kinds of memories came flooding back.

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Yes! I'm from the South and we ate company casserole! I use my late mother-in-law's recipe
 

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