Shaws call duck incubation thread (hatch a wonderful(worthless to Ralphie) dux thread)

[iluvsedward]

Actually come to think of it it was probably my inconsistent turning in the beginning that led to the underdeveloped CAM

 

[iluvsedward]

Ok ok ok i need help!!! @Ravynscroft @Pyxis @WVduckchick

So i was candling this egg and i was like omg did it die because the veins look very faint and it had a SLIGHT shadow (you know the very beginning when it starts to internally pip) and i didnt see any movement and i was like oh no its malpositioned and it died/is dying so THEN i made a safe hole and saw some movement and I decided it would give me some peace of mind if i could just see the bill so then i leave it to do its thing! So i chipped away and used coconut oil blah blah blah Low and behold IT IS MALPOSITIONED!! I dont see a bill and i see yolk!!! I dont know how on earth im going to find the beak it could be anywhere and theres no "bruise" on the shell. I know theres lots of veins indicating my duckling is not yet ripe but thats not the point! I just cant believe i caught this, usually they die in the shell but this one has a chance. Can someone help me find the bill and out to get to it without rupturing any veins ??

 

[Pyxis]

View attachment 1310742 View attachment 1310743 Ok ok ok i need help!!! @Ravynscroft @Pyxis @WVduckchick

So i was candling this egg and i was like omg did it die because the veins look very faint and it had a SLIGHT shadow (you know the very beginning when it starts to internally pip) and i didnt see any movement and i was like oh no its malpositioned and it died/is dying so THEN i made a safe hole and saw some movement and I decided it would give me some peace of mind if i could just see the bill so then i leave it to do its thing! So i chipped away and used coconut oil blah blah blah Low and behold IT IS MALPOSITIONED!! I dont see a bill and i see yolk!!! I dont know how on earth im going to find the beak it could be anywhere and theres no "bruise" on the shell. I know theres lots of veins indicating my duckling is not yet ripe but thats not the point! I just cant believe i caught this, usually they die in the shell but this one has a chance. Can someone help me find the bill and out to get to it without rupturing any veins ??

Apologies, this is probably somewhere in this thread, but what day is this egg on?

 

[iluvsedward]

Apologies, this is probably somewhere in this thread, but what day is this egg on?

Its only on 24 (call ducks), i know its early but theres a reason i intervened.. wait do you think its in the correct position and im just horribly wrong and i should of left it and now its going to die a slow unnatural death?

Eta:
Forgive me i sound terribly naive getting all worked up, i am quite comfortable assisting calls and had a 100% hatch rate with my last bunch, im just worried now because ive never dealt with a malpositioned one.

 

[iluvsedward]

Heres a better picture

 

[Pyxis]

Its only on 24 (call ducks), i know its early but theres a reason i intervened.. wait do you think its in the correct position and im just horribly wrong and i should of left it and now its going to die a slow unnatural death?

Eta:
Forgive me i sound terribly naive getting all worked up, i am quite comfortable assisting calls and had a 100% hatch rate with my last bunch, im just worried now because ive never dealt with a malpositioned one.

I do think it's malpositioned, since that definitely looks like yolk, but in this malposition they often can hatch on their own - they just pip the wrong end of the egg, but a lot of times they can still hatch that way. This one being on day 24, it just might not have been ready to pip yet, which is why you don't see evidence of it having tried (a bruise).

Now, it might still be able to break the shell on its own when it is ready to pip. But without the 'bottom' of the shell (the air cell end) it won't have anything to push off of when it is ready to zip and hatch, so likely it will need to be assisted at the end.

I can't tell you if it will be able to pip on its own. Option A is wait and see if it can, or if a bruise appears and then open the shell there. Option B is guess where the beak is based on the positioning you're seeing through the air cell and open the shell over where you think the beak is (personally I wouldn't want to do this).

Another thing to consider is how far along its siblings are. Have any of them internally pipped yet? If not, then this one likely wasn't ready to do so either. If yes, then it might need help.

 

[iluvsedward]

Two internally pipped before this one. I think i will wait a while longer in hopes of a bruise appearing, or a pip if im lucky. I guess if it's head is in the narrow end it does have less distance from the shell so hopefully a better shot at pipping.

If i take option B, worst case scenario, what ill do is chip the shell but not the membrane like with the aircell end. It will be tricky because of how they're together but i might be able to accomplish it (again this is worst case). Then ill find the bill by oiling the membrane and i wont have to worry about cutting veins.

 

[iluvsedward]

So i did see a tiny bruise,went for it like a safehole, slowly scratching until i peeled away a large area and was elated to find the bill there. There no bleeding, but to my shock the baby took a few gasps and passed away. It was difficult to understand why, but i was certain it did when the veins disappeared and it stopped moving and breathing. I opened the egg further and found it had a bi-lobed yolk and one of the lobes was light green. Im not sure if it was my fault or not but considering the green yolk it probably wouldn't have lived anyway.
Oh well, i did all i could.

 

[Pyxis]

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So i did see a tiny bruise,went for it like a safehole, slowly scratching until i peeled away a large area and was elated to find the bill there. There no bleeding, but to my shock the baby took a few gasps and passed away. It was difficult to understand why, but i was certain it did when the veins disappeared and it stopped moving and breathing. I opened the egg further and found it had a bi-lobed yolk and one of the lobes was light green. Im not sure if it was my fault or not but considering the green yolk it probably wouldn't have lived anyway.
Oh well, i did all i could.

Sorry you lost it Green yolk is a sign of an infection, so it likely wouldn't have made it anyway, you're right.

 

[iluvsedward]

Sorry you lost it Green yolk is a sign of an infection, so it likely wouldn't have made it anyway, you're right.

Ok thats what i thought. Thanks for all the help!