She said/He said Who's right? Who's wrong? No one!

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The challenge is that we cannot see what we cannot see. Much like practicing medicine over a telephone...it just isn't gonna work. Suggesting changes based on a post begging for help, when we have zero idea what actually happened from the time of lay to that moment in time, is just as likely to be bad as good.

Development of a chick is not based on a human clock, it's based on a biological clock. We can mess up that clock, sometimes with disastrous results, sometimes with minimal effect. We don't know the condition of the equipment, the environmental conditions, or how much meddling has taken place. Think of a cake...they definitely turn out best when you follow a recipe and don't open the oven until it's time to check for doneness. Set up the equipment, test it for several days, set the eggs, and walk away for a week.

Of course, home made incubators and low end incubators and poorly calibrated instruments can ruin the best of plans.

Advice, like pulling a car out of a ditch, is a hazardous occupation.
I agree, it is very hard to give suggestions based on what little info we have when asked. That's why we or I give suggestions based on our own experiences which may or may not be what they need. It's nice to have someone use your suggestions and have success with them, even though it could have had the same outcome with a different method. It's nice to be able to share what works for you with others and have them appreciate it too.
 
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Not really, lol... just read and research a lot... am a visual person... tell me things and I forget before I turn around, see it it print and I can recall 90% of it...
Besides, I learned about barring after getting Cream Legbars... btw, you can make sex-linked EE's or OE's with those too... put a solid roo over your hens and the boys will have headspots... ;)
 
SC, what is a good price for a GQF? Any year that should be avoided? I see an ad in my locals for a 2011 model cabinet style for $550.
 
Not really, lol... just read and research a lot... am a visual person... tell me things and I forget before I turn around, see it it print and I can recall 90% of it...
Besides, I learned about barring after getting Cream Legbars... btw, you can make sex-linked EE's or OE's with those too... put a solid roo over your hens and the boys will have headspots...
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I'm just trying to wrap my head around all that too. I printed out a bunch of stuff and I'm going to make myself a spreadsheet, because I can't keep it all straight in my head!

So Armand & Katherine's babies (blue frizzle bantam cochin over cuckoo bantam cochin)... the boys should have headspots, correct?
 
I'm just trying to wrap my head around all that too.  I printed out a bunch of stuff and I'm going to make myself a spreadsheet, because I can't keep it all straight in my head! 

So Armand & Katherine's babies (blue frizzle bantam cochin over cuckoo bantam cochin)... the boys should have headspots, correct? 


Correct... as long as he doesn't have barring the boys will have headspots... if the roo is barred, all chicks will have headspots as he passes his barring to all his offspring...
 
SC, what is a good price for a GQF? Any year that should be avoided? I see an ad in my locals for a 2011 model cabinet style for $550.

I spent about a year watching ads and reviewing before I bought mine. Here's a quick rundown:

Brand new retail from GQF for a top of the line 1502 Sportsman is $719.95. For the Digital Professional, which does not have provision for a hatching tray, $699.50. These both have a digital display.

The version I prefer if I was to buy NEW would be the 1202E Classic Sportsman. Auto egg turning and the new multi turn proportional thermostat and a window in the door.

The model I bought was a late '90s 1402. No window in the door, solid state proportional thermostat with an old fashioned dial thermometer that can be calibrated, and a backup wafer in case of thermostat failure. The one I bought had a bad turner motor and broken element wire, so I put about $115 in parths into a $100 purchase. I also bought the multi turn proportional thermostat for $90, but I haven't installed it yet. You can also buy a full view acrylic door, but I think that the laminated wood door has probably more insulating value. It is rock solid, built like a tank, and parts are readily available. I'd be a little more hesitant about the fancy digital electronics after a few years, though an STC-1000 could be used easily enough.

I'd set a budget of $400 and look for a non-digital model. The old gold ones like mine don't get much love and can be had cheaply and are easy as can be to service.
 

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