Show off your Delawares! *PIC HEAVY*

[finnfur]

I was just on a swap site on FB out of Kentucky and saw someone auctioning off English Buff Delaware Chicks. I thought what the heck?? Then she said, they are really Lemon Cuckoo Columbian ORPINGTONS. Well, duh, I knew that from the body type and the glaring WHITE SKIN.

Then, she made the ridiculous statement that "These can be bred with White Delaware as well to get White Delaware pullets." Well, there is only one type of Delaware and it is white. But you cross an Orp and a Del, two very, very different birds in every way, and you don't get a Delaware.


You cannot call an Orp a Delaware just because it has some barring in the hackles. And if you breed an Orp with a Delaware, you DO NOT get Delaware pullets. You probably get a white skinned cross that looks a bit like a Delaware with an entirely wrong body type. What is wrong with these people? They seem to think they can name this imported stock anything you like and make it so. I want to say imported crud because they're going crazy with auctioning it off to unsuspecting folks who don't know a Delaware from a Lt Brahma and making claims that are patently false.

Sorry, I had to vent. I couldn't post on her auction, which is being bid up high and the winner will perpetuate the false information to the next unsuspecting buyer, using the words "English import" to jack up the prices.


By the way, @finnfur , Isaac is still crowing and kicking butt around here, but he no longer roosts. He sleeps on the floor with at least one very loyal hen.

Yes they just cross something and make up names - all need/want the unusual - its the backyard chicken world LOL Glad you out there on patrol to keep em straight ..
Good to hear the Cock with two names is still hanging on . I feel for him . With my joint pain I don't roost much anymore either.
And sounds like he's still doing fine with companionship on the floor.

 

[speckledhen]

Oh, trust me, I wanted to say something SO badly, but I wasn't a member of that group. I did sic my friend on her, though, LOL. I just hate that so many folks are being duped. And another point. Imported Delawares is an oxymoron since they are a true AMERICAN breed. If people don't do their research, they will be misled and out $$$ every time.

It also makes me insane when they advertise (another ad I saw just today) "Barred Rock Cochins" and they do not mean a cross, they mean a Barred Cochin. Ack!

 

[jeremy]

The birds you're talking about are called "Delawares" because of their color pattern, they're phenotype closely resembles that of the Delaware breed... not because that's what breed they actually are.

Folks have imported both Silver Barred Columbian, & Buff Barred Columbian Orps. I guess it's just easier for folks to refer to them as "Delaware" & "Buff Delaware" Orps, considering most don't have a grasp of genetics, & everyone loves a catchy hobby name.

No one should be breeding these imported Orps to actual Delawares though, and anyone doing so is probably very misinformed about what they think they're breeding... propagators, they're a dime a dozen.

 

[speckledhen]

The birds you're talking about are called "Delawares" because of their color pattern, they're phenotype closely resembles that of the Delaware breed... not because that's what breed they actually are.

I understand that, but it amounts to false advertising to folks who don't know any better. Delaware is not a type, it's a breed. But, of course, you know that. Preaching to the choir here.

Folks have imported both Silver Barred Columbian, & Buff Barred Columbian Orps. I guess it's just easier for folks to refer to them as "Delaware" & "Buff Delaware" Orps, considering most don't have a grasp of genetics, & everyone loves a catchy hobby name.

Frosts my onions and it should any Delaware or Orpington breeder. It's just as easy to call them what they are.

No one should be breeding these imported Orps to actual Delawares though, and anyone doing so is probably very misinformed about what they think they're breeding... propagators, they're a dime a dozen.

Any Orpington bred to any other breed, or any Delaware bred to any other breed, gives you a barnyard special. I have them and they're fine, but I don't call them "Barred Delawares". I call them what they are, a mixed breed bird.

Very true about the propagators.

 

[jeremy]

Hi Cyn.

The misinformation is what's so annoying... and once people have made their minds up about something, it isn't gonna change.

The dedicated breeders will keep pure & good examples of Dels going.

Speaking of, how are @kathyinmo 's birds? Is she still breeding?

 

[finnfur]

Hi Cyn.

The misinformation is what's so annoying... and once people have made their minds up about something, it isn't gonna change.

The dedicated breeders will keep pure & good examples of Dels going.

Speaking of, how are @kathyinmo 's birds? Is she still breeding?

I haven't seen any posts from Kathy in about over 3 months - I hope she is just enjoying retirement with DH and grandkids/
There is a thread for breeders that have Kathys recreated Del line
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/777172/delawares-from-kathyinmo

 

[speckledhen]

Hi Cyn.

The misinformation is what's so annoying... and once people have made their minds up about something, it isn't gonna change.

The dedicated breeders will keep pure & good examples of Dels going.

Speaking of, how are @kathyinmo 's birds? Is she still breeding?

Very true, that.

I really don't know what she's doing with her own birds, Jeremy. I think she's pretty tied up with FB stuff and her grandchildren but I don't see her talking about chickens anymore when I do see a post by her. I have only Isaac and Georgie left of my own Delawares and they are 6 years old now. I can't believe Isaac has outlived so many of his own sons. He's a good old guy.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

I was just on a swap site on FB out of Kentucky and saw someone auctioning off English Buff Delaware Chicks. I thought what the heck?? Then she said, they are really Lemon Cuckoo Columbian ORPINGTONS. Well, duh, I knew that from the body type and the glaring WHITE SKIN.

Then, she made the ridiculous statement that "These can be bred with White Delaware as well to get White Delaware pullets." Well, there is only one type of Delaware and it is white. But you cross an Orp and a Del, two very, very different birds in every way, and you don't get a Delaware.


You cannot call an Orp a Delaware just because it has some barring in the hackles. And if you breed an Orp with a Delaware, you DO NOT get Delaware pullets. You probably get a white skinned cross that looks a bit like a Delaware with an entirely wrong body type. What is wrong with these people? They seem to think they can name this imported stock anything you like and make it so. I want to say imported crud because they're going crazy with auctioning it off to unsuspecting folks who don't know a Delaware from a Lt Brahma and making claims that are patently false.

Sorry, I had to vent. I couldn't post on her auction, which is being bid up high and the winner will perpetuate the false information to the next unsuspecting buyer, using the words "English import" to jack up the prices.


By the way, @finnfur , Isaac is still crowing and kicking butt around here, but he no longer roosts. He sleeps on the floor with at least one very loyal hen.

I kinda want to see a photo of that.

I gather there is some push-back from the APA about establishing new breeds and then dropping them to develop another new breed ... I gather the APA prefers to see people make a commitment to a breed.

I'm just starting to explore the poultry association pages over on FB trying to figure out which associations I'd like to join. I'd love to see more activity and stability in the Delaware breeder groups. I'm not even sure who is working with Delawares beyond the people posting in the Delawares from Kathyinmo thread. It would be great to be able to discuss challenges, goals and accomplishments with people who are working on other lines.

 

[speckledhen]

I kinda want to see a photo of that.

I gather there is some push-back from the APA about establishing new breeds and then dropping them to develop another new breed ... I gather the APA prefers to see people make a commitment to a breed.

I'm just starting to explore the poultry association pages over on FB trying to figure out which associations I'd like to join. I'd love to see more activity and stability in the Delaware breeder groups. I'm not even sure who is working with Delawares beyond the people posting in the Delawares from Kathyinmo thread. It would be great to be able to discuss challenges, goals and accomplishments with people who are working on other lines.

I couldn't grab a photo of the ones from the ad on the Kentucky swap but I found this one here on an auction site. This ad at least says in parentheses "Lemon Cuckoo Columbian" so why use the Delaware name at all? The name is just plain WRONG. Delaware is not a type, darn it. It is an American breed, period. I don't even see why you'd claim the name of a bird with a type so opposite to an Orpington anyway.

I am pretty territorial about the Delaware name, I admit. And using it like it's a type is not correct in the least. These are most definitely project birds, but saying it's a Delaware Orpington is just plain weird. The two just do not go together. They are completely barred with columbian patterning.

http://thefancychick.com/sitebuilder/images/DelRoo2a.7.11.14WM-600x529.jpg
From this ad: http://www.rarebreedauctions.com/au...koo-columbian-cockerels-two&auction_id=122845

If I say my crosses are DelaRocks, that would be paying homage to both breeds and admitting it's just a cross, but to call something a Buff Delaware w/o the use of the term Orpington in any way, which was one ad I saw, is completely false advertising. Naturally, anyone who knows either breed would realize what they were looking at.

Another one: http://thefancychick.com/DelawareOrpington.html I think this is the breeder who was advertising on the auction site.



I almost blasted someone on the KY poultry swap site who was looking for Delawares because she posted a photo of what I know to be Janet Holtman's birds, I guess as an example of what she wanted. It was a photo Janet sent to me once way back when, not sure if it was my first male's sire or Isaac's sire, but definitely Janet's pair she posted. Folks think that if they find it on a search, it's public domain. I then saw it was a year old ad so let it go.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

Wow. Very pretty! But ... huh? I'm so confused about how the word "Delaware" sneaked in there at all -- the buffs don't resemble Delawares enough to even have that make sense to me. Two kinds of "Delaware Orpingtons" available through that breeder, the "White Delaware Orpingtons" look somewhat more "Delaware," but a quick look at Delaware Genetics for Dummies would give you more accurate choices for naming strategies, IMO. From what I understand, the color pattern of black just at hackles and tail is "Columbian," and I gather there's a gene for that.

I'm just confused, but that doesn't take much.