Show Off Your Games!

[saladin]

Yeah that picture doesnt do him justice... he was perfect, all I need to do is find someone to dub him for me (I am a wuss lol) and he is ready for the show.

Just got the price.. $150 for him... or $25 for 1 month old chicks. I dont want the chicks because they were bred from brother and sister...

I want to cross breed my white AG hen with him. Put the "game" back in Modern Game

Mistake.

1. There never was any game to the Modern Game.
2. Breeding hot blood over cold always bring the hot down not the cold up.

In other words, it won't work. Though it may make them manfighters; now that I have seen.

 

[JShubin]

Mistake.

1. There never was any game to the Modern Game.
2. Breeding hot blood over cold always bring the hot down not the cold up.

In other words, it won't work. Though it may make them manfighters; now that I have seen.

It may be a mistake but I need to learn for myself... I like crossbreeding different strains, and this would be a cool experiment. Hopefully it wont produce manfighters, although I suspect manfighting is in part a result of improper handling.

Modern games originated from Old English Games and Malay, so they were game at one point. There will be so much variation in the crossbred offspring, that I couldnt imagine none of the offspring possessing gameness. I am no expert on gameness tho.

 

[saladin]

It's been over 150 years since Modern Games diverged from Old English lines. The Malay was never game to begin with.

Just think: 150 generations. In comparison to humanity that would take you back 6000 years.

I'm not saying some might not show gameness. What I'm saying is regardless of what they 'show' they will have at least 50% cold blood within them. Then to breed back to Modern Game type you will have to either use more Modern blood or breed brother x sister. This is why it is a losing battle.

The number of manfighters produced will likely be quite great in comparison to say game to game or modern to modern.

I'm not saying don't try something; I'm just telling you what the results will be. There are lots of things we have to try for ourselves even though we can be told the results; like lab in college. The experiments have already been done thousands of times with the same results (when conducted properly), but that doesn't mean we don't need to do them too so that we can learn ourselves.

 

[JShubin]

It's been over 150 years since Modern Games diverged from Old English lines. The Malay was never game to begin with.

Just think: 150 generations. In comparison to humanity that would take you back 6000 years.

I'm not saying some might not show gameness. What I'm saying is regardless of what they 'show' they will have at least 50% cold blood within them. Then to breed back to Modern Game type you will have to either use more Modern blood or breed brother x sister. This is why it is a losing battle.

The number of manfighters produced will likely be quite great in comparison to say game to game or modern to modern.

I'm not saying don't try something; I'm just telling you what the results will be. There are lots of things we have to try for ourselves even though we can be told the results; like lab in college. The experiments have already been done thousands of times with the same results (when conducted properly), but that doesn't mean we don't need to do them too so that we can learn ourselves.

I dont understand how a game cross would become a manfighter... If neither the parents were manfighters what would cause the offspring to manfight?

Yeah they would have 50% cold blood.. I could always breed back to game or back to modern... depending on which way I want go.. I am not trying to solidfy a new line... just add new blood to my flock. I would never breed brother and sister.

I would probably breed back to game to get 3/4 AGF 1/4 MG.

I could always sell some offspring back to the original owner so she can breed them back to her MG. I would guess its a good thing ot add new blood considering she has no other MG blood. thats up to her tho.. I know she wants to show them but I dont know whats the limit on purity... 7/8ths 15/16ths? What if the judge cant tell if the cock has 1/4 AGF blood?

 

[saladin]

7/8ths grade should hide it if good selection to type takes place.

I cannot explain to you genetics of the heart, nor do I understand them myself. I just know that when you bred a real game to a non-game the result is often manfighters. The Game folk would tell you it is a manifestation of the cold blood. Personally, I do not know why, I just know it happens.

 

[JShubin]

7/8ths grade should hide it if good selection to type takes place.

I cannot explain to you genetics of the heart, nor do I understand them myself. I just know that when you bred a real game to a non-game the result is often manfighters. The Game folk would tell you it is a manifestation of the cold blood. Personally, I do not know why, I just know it happens.

Very interesting... Nature is mysterious like that.

Thanks for your advice on the subject.

 

[Yahya Morse]

What the heck is going here? haha I think she was trying to lay an egg up there

the honeymoon suite lol

 

[sdm111]

Mistake.

1. There never was any game to the Modern Game.
2. Breeding hot blood over cold always bring the hot down not the cold up.

In other words, it won't work. Though it may make them manfighters; now that I have seen.

Totally disagree but can't say why cause I'm not allowed to talk about cockfighting. I'll leave it at that. I will say this lets say you want to infuse some highbreaking fowl into a hard shuffling fowl how is the high breaker gonna bring down the hard shuffler? If that were the case all shown fowl would be pure

 

[saladin]

Totally disagree but can't say why cause I'm not allowed to talk about cockfighting. I'll leave it at that. I will say this lets say you want to infuse some highbreaking fowl into a hard shuffling fowl how is the high breaker gonna bring down the hard shuffler? If that were the case all shown fowl would be pure

This doesn't make any sense as related to the above topic.

The topic was about infusing Game into Moderns which are not GAME.

 

[prariechiken]

There has been a bit of discussion on this thread about strain names. I have to agree that the names (kelso, hatch, lacy Roundhead and etc. ) have very little to do with strain purity. But in my opinion the name tells a person what mental and physical traits they should expect from that line of birds. For example jshubins stag is a mix, but if he looks like a hatch has the mental and physical abilities of a hatch and can breed these traits on( what would you call it? A claret?

Again just my opinion

I know its a very hard concept to get wrapped around when dealing with gamefowl. Strain names can give you a general idea of what the bird "should/could" look like, but strain names will tell you almost nothing of the mental traits as those can be greatly affected by the actions of the breeder/breeders involved. Jshubins bird could be taken to be a "Hatch", if one was just to guess, but it is as described a cross. Now its a cross of his making and I would more likely call it a "Jshubins" than I would call it a "Hatch". As the breeder one should be proud of what they are raising, now you can reference the makeup of what went into ones line, and referencing these old time breeders names helps people form a mental image of what they should/could see, but in the end the current breeders name is more the strain than one of these breeders of old. Its not really a big deal but where it can be is when someone goes to sell such crossed up birds and portrays them as "pure such-n-such". I think that is why those more experienced in gamefowl tend to spend a little extra time trying to share with new breeders the importance of being honest with your birds, yourself and with others. If I have hurt anyones feelings with this through my frustration in the past I apologize, but my wife and I started this thread 6 years ago to not only showcase gamefowl but help teach others and help them enjoy the experience of raising these breeds. What it all boils down to is call them what you want, only being honest with yourself and others as to what your fowl really are can keep you moving your breeding program in the right direction. As a new breeder don't get hung up on names... get hung up on raising good foundation fowl be they "pure -insert fashionable-name-here-" or merely pure yours...