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jungle, on your last question on the gray to wheaton, you would get silver wheaton hens and gold duckwing stags with red shoulders. the red shouldered stags could be bred to silver wheaton hens to get better gold duckwing color.
 
Your post is somewhat confusing could you clarify it?

Gold duckwing and golden duckwing are not one in the same

Gold duckwing is a black breasted red/partridge same color as jungle fowl

Golden duckwing is half gold duckwing male and half silver duckwing female = A golden hackled,golden saddled, Black Breasted male, females look like BBR/partridge hens



This(red/goldx silver= golden) is when its pure color to color matings after that its a crap shoot/pot luck of colors from BBR to greys its why those two color names cover such a broad sea of color patterns. Its easy just to say that's a grey, and the at one is a red, their back-gorunds are usually as jumbled as their heritage(blends) of names

Jeff
After a little research I found some pictures of some Gold duckwing roosters and they do appear to be different from Golden duckwings. Didn't know that. Learn something new every day. These GOLD duckwing color references I think are used to describe other breeds of fowl Phoenixes, Cubalayas, etc. In American games that color would be referred to as light red or lemon hackled.
 
I try not to get hung up on colors, but a golden/gold duckwing is basically a dirty grey IMO. People get kind of anal when it comes to colors to be honest when it isn't really important with gamefowl.
 
Well, I for one, appreciate the info. I started acquiring my games from an old timer here a few years ago and the color patterns have baffled me (still do!) For the most part I let them decide who mates with who and interestingly enough the grey/black hens stay with the grey rooster, the wheaten run with the golden duckwing....I just don't know. Was told I have Joe redman grey, maybe some hatch...it gets confusing because the colors don't really id the strain. After researching some I wouldn't be surprized if they have some traveler blood as well, but theres no way to know for certain now, I just call them Appalachian games. Ha. Ones thing from sure, the certainly are games. My only warning was, "they like to fight alot in spring" er, ah, yes they do, so now I am alittle better prepared.
 
Okey dokey, time to pen the stags up! And put the spurs away, Jeepers, its fine to be anal about perfection isn't it? Especially if you are breeding specifically for an ideal. After all, if you are keeping games its a given one has to be somewhat ......obsessive compusive in the first place. Sometimes when my brain overheats I tend to take the so what anyway attitude until someday I can understand it....course I'll never figure it out on my own....so the input is appreciated catdaddy.
 
Okay color is not the most important factor, we all know this. But color is indeed important, very much so. Because people have preferences and it's these preferences that get non gamefowl breeders into raising gamefowl. Gamefowl breeders old and new take a liking to certain colors on their fowl to some extent.
 
Well, I for one, appreciate the info. I started acquiring my games from an old timer here a few years ago and the color patterns have baffled me (still do!) For the most part I let them decide who mates with who and interestingly enough the grey/black hens stay with the grey rooster, the wheaten run with the golden duckwing....I just don't know. Was told I have Joe redman grey, maybe some hatch...it gets confusing because the colors don't really id the strain. After researching some I wouldn't be surprized if they have some traveler blood as well, but theres no way to know for certain now, I just call them Appalachian games. Ha. Ones thing from sure, the certainly are games. My only warning was, "they like to fight alot in spring" er, ah, yes they do, so now I am alittle better prepared.

You are where I am at when it comes to colors. This why I claim ignorance. Just about the time I think I got something nailed down, I find out I am totally wrong. When I first started down this road, all I want a whole flock of Buttermilk hens just like the one I posted the picture of. I did not even know what she was (she was given to me by someone who got here from someone else) to start off with and had to start a"What breed is this?" thread here on BYC to figure it out. In the end it was decided on that thread that she was an American Game of the Buttermilk color. Then began my journey to find out how to reproduce her. Until this day I have never found anyone that could give me any solid answer to that question. The only thing that I could find was that I probably needed a Grey Stag. Of course that led to me trying to figure what a Grey Stage is and boy is there a lot of different opinions about this subject.

I could go on and on about the twist and turns I have been through this last year but it would all be redundant. Basically, IMHO, every breeder has their own set of standards for perfection when it comes to American Games. In the end I decided to try the shotgun approach and breed everything I had and could get my hands on randomly and see if I could accidentely hit the formula that would produce my buttermilk hen. Now that my prize hen has died of old age, I have given up any hopes of reproducing her. But I did end up with some very beautiful birds as a result and I am glad about that.

The only thing that disturbs me is that after I raised this huge flock, I discovered that Games are really not that good of a meat bird. I did not worry about how many birds I was raising because I just thought I would put the large majority of them in the freezer. But after trying to eat three of my cockerels, my family made it very clear that I was alone when it came to eating them. As a much traveled hunter, I have eaten just about every type of wild game bird from the Arctic to the Amazon. I have to admit that these American Games are pretty low on the meat quality scale. So now I have 22 beautiful Cockerels that I don't know what to do with. Nobody in my area will touch them with a ten foot pole because of their bad rep and I just can't bring myself to kill them for no reason other then to just get rid of them. But they eat a lot of food and in the spring all He-- is going to break loose. Sure wish I would have known all this before going down this road.
 

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