show quality speckled sussex ??

[Wappoke]

Thanks very much! Exactly the type of genetic info I was looking for to start putting this puzzle together. I hatched out 6 chicks from Walt Reichert birds. 3 were solid gold/yellow, 3 were gold/yellow with some faint black markings, and black dots on heads. Unfortunately I did not band them at hatch to mark them, they were an experiment to see what the birds would produce. I sold them to a friend. 3 were male and 3 female. Now I wonder if there was some type of sex linking going on...

All of my Overton matings hatched out gold, some with faint markings, some solid. All had good ground color as 6 month olds.

Is there a genetics thread somewhere to learn more? Thanks!

Leela

If you want to know more about wheaten and the mottling genes, research papers on the subjects are a good source. Use google scholar to find published papers. Sometimes the papers are online and if not, a university library will sometimes have the papers. You go to the library and pull the papers then make copies to study. Most libraries have staff that will pull journals and you come in on a certain date and copy the articles. You have to have the reference for the article.Sometimes I find interesting information in articles that do not deal directly with the subject.

Abstracts can be very good also- if you can not get the article.

I have a large number of journal articles that I read and analyze-

http://www.bantamclub.com/PDF/Smyth.pdf

The above address is for a paper that is full of all kinds of information. You can not read it like a book- read sentences or paragraphs over and over until you get the gist of the information. Get a composition book and jot down important things in your own words you can use for reference. In order to keep information in an orderly fashion, Make sections in your notes before you start reading.
If you and others are serious, I will go back and look at the paper and make suggestion concerning
how to organize the material

Forget about remembering it all- the important thing is knowing where to find the information.

If you have questions- post them on a new string- Smyth paper would be a good title. If a bunch of people begin reading the paper- there will be lots of questions and learning will happen. I will be happy to answer any questions- questions that I can not answer may require some research on my part and that is good- it keeps me humble.

There have been some changes in genetics since the paper was published. I will let everyone know about the changes.

 

[3riverschick]

Poultry Tribune
page 28 of may 1922. APA changes color of undercolor in Speckled Sussex
Speckled Sussex.
Under color of all sections to read "slate shading into salmon,
the salmon shading to gray at base. Fluff, slaty-brown in both
male and female.
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Karen,

I'm going by what Gary taught me...specifically seeing slate/grey and salmon
at base of feather. I thought I had read the same in the Finkelstein article
you forwarded to me a while back...which I need to find.

Leela
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By 3 colors I meant the slate then the salmon , then the grey again. Overton did not say this was so?
Hum...
Did Overton say in any particular order of the colors? I word if the difference in undercolor colors
has anything to do with the missing chipmunks stripes?
Best,
Karen

 

[Leela NH]

Poultry Tribune
page 28 of may 1922. APA changes color of undercolor in Speckled Sussex
Speckled Sussex.
Under color of all sections to read "slate shading into salmon,
the salmon shading to gray at base. Fluff, slaty-brown in both
male and female.
---------------
Karen,

I'm going by what Gary taught me...specifically seeing slate/grey and salmon
at base of feather. I thought I had read the same in the Finkelstein article
you forwarded to me a while back...which I need to find.

Leela
------------
By 3 colors I meant the slate then the salmon , then the grey again. Overton did not say this was so?
Hum...
Did Overton say in any particular order of the colors? I word if the difference in undercolor colors
has anything to do with the missing chipmunks stripes?
Best,
Karen

Gary just mentioned slate into salmon. Which what I see in my best males. I honestly don't think the e+ or eWh has much bearing on final undercolor. All of my e+ or recessive eWh apparently grow out with good undercolor, as do most of the UK stock which apparently is eWh or eWh recessive. In fact many here think some of the UK stock is a bit too dark. When it starts to look super dark chocolate I think it's too dark myself. But I am just a newbie...so take it for what's it's worth.

All the best,

Leela

 

[springcreekchic]

If this thread is still viable, I would like to join in.

 

[duluthralphie]

It is...

And I just hatched 2 SS the other day.. NOW if they are roosters and have prefect markings. Body type should be ok based on the parents.

 

[Leela NH]

Hope you will consider joining us! We welcome new exhibitors, please let me know if you have any questions!
American Sussex National Meet 2017
Dixie Classic, Knoxville TN
Dec 2-3, 2017

Leela
President, American Sussex Association
www.americansussex.org

 

[Leela NH]

Poultry Tribune
page 28 of may 1922. APA changes color of undercolor in Speckled Sussex
Speckled Sussex.
Under color of all sections to read "slate shading into salmon,
the salmon shading to gray at base. Fluff, slaty-brown in both
male and female.

Is 1922 the same year the SOP was changed for ground color to Mahogany Bay as well?
This is 1921. Reddish-brown, each feather tipped with white, a black bar dividing the white from balance of feather.

Thanks,

Leela

 

[3riverschick]

I would have to look up the specific year the color term was changed for SS. Tough on my cellphone. Why not ask Walt Leonard?
He is fowlman01 on BYC.
Best,
Karen

 

[3riverschick]

The APA changed the color of the underfluff in the Rhode Island Red about the same year.

 

[3riverschick]

Here's a real good article to look up on Google Books.
A Word About the Speckled Sussex ,
By John Miller , Sedalia , Missouri
Poultry Tribune , Vol. 27, Page 22 ,
1921
Best,
Karen
John wrote some good stuff on Sussex.