Showgirl Genetics: How do they work?

Discussion in 'Exhibition, Genetics, & Breeding to the SOP' started by ldrchickens, Dec 16, 2018.

  1. ldrchickens

    ldrchickens Songster

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    Can anybody explain to me or point to a thread talking about how showgirl genetics work? I have a black sizzle showgirl roo and no showgirl hens to breed him too. Im wanting to know what are the chances of getting showgirl babies and if the odds go up depending on what he is bred to? I have a polish top hat hen, a white silkie hen, and a sizzle silkie hen. Thanks!
     
  2. Cyprus

    Cyprus Master of the 'never give up' attitude

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    If you breed him to either silkie hen you increase your chances of producing showgirls.
    Depending on whether he is homozygous or heterozygous for naked neck, his offspring will either be 100% nn or 50% nn.
    I'll assume he's 50% for the purpose of discussion.
    If bred to silkies, 50% of offspring will be showgirls.
    If bred to the white silkie, all offspring will be white with black flecks. 50% will be regular silkie and 50% will be sizzle.
    If bred to the sizzle, 25% will be silkie feathered, 50% will be sizzle feathered and 25% will be silkie and frazzle (2 copies of frizzle gene) which lord only knows what that will look like.
    TBH I wouldn't breed him to the sizzle for that reason alone.
     
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  3. Cyprus

    Cyprus Master of the 'never give up' attitude

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    As for the genetics of making a showgirl, all they are is a silkie with a naked neck gene. Naked neck is dominant.
     
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  4. The Moonshiner

    The Moonshiner Professional Chicken Tender

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    As far as the necked neck part there's single NN gene birds that are often referred to as having a "bow tie" or a patch of feathers on lower neck area. When bred to anything that isn't a NN it would produce about 50% NN and 50% non NN.
    A double NN gene bird is completely non feathered neck. When they're bred to any non NN bird they produce 100% NN offspring.
    As far as the show girl part IMO a showgirl is a NN silkie without any other genes so no frizzle, frazzle, sizzle, sazzle, dazzle or non silkied feathers.
    IMO the only way to breed showgirls is to breed showgirls to showgirls or showgirls to silkies.
     
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    Cyprus Master of the 'never give up' attitude

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    Exactly as I thought.
    The OP can, theoretically, still produce regular showgirls by breeding her showgirl roo over her normal silkie hen. 50% will be normal showgirl. FYI, according to the ABA, frizzled is allowed in any breed as frizzle is nothing more than a feather mutation. Same goes for silkie genetics.
    In this case, the OP cannot produce any showgirls that are acceptable to the SOP by any means as her roo does not meet criteria. The ABA only accepts showgirls under the silkie breed as the listing of Silkie Naked Neck White. So black is not a recognized color.
     
  6. Mimi’s 13

    Mimi’s 13 fuhgettaboutit

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    I so wish I understood more about genetics and breeding.
     
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  7. Cyprus

    Cyprus Master of the 'never give up' attitude

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    There's always room to learn :)
     
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    Thank you everyone!!!! Super helpful information!
     
  9. The Moonshiner

    The Moonshiner Professional Chicken Tender

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    For me as soon as I saw black "sizzle" showgirl rooster I have no idea what would really be produced because sizzle means different things to different people.
    I see a lot of frizzle feathered ones called sizzles so I'm not sure if OPs bird is even silkied.
    I haven't keep up with the ABA for over 10 years probably. Funny when I first got into ABA way back in the day the only frizzled breed was the cochin bantams.
     
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    From what i understand from the person i got him from is that his parents are a showgirl (silkie naked neck) crossed with a sizzle (frizzled silkie).
     

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