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I've never used Joy, but I've heard it does make their feathers brittle. I've also never used plamolive. I use the blue ribbon show shampoo, but if i'm out of that I use Cheer or Ivory. You don't put the vinager in the shampoo. You put the vinagar in a tub of water, about 1/4 per gallon. The vinager cuts the soap and helps rinse it. So you need 3 tubs. The #1 tub is used for the bath while the #2 and the #3 tubs are used for rinsing. Put about ¼ cup vinegar for every gallon of water in the #2 tub add about 1 tablespoon of hair conditioner for every gallon of water in the #3 tub.