Sick Pea Chick Died - Going to Vet School For Necropsy - Will Post Results

[kuntrygirl]

I don't want to add confusion here, but it could be both coccidiosis and blackhead, though not likely.

Actually, it might not be unlikely either. If the chick picked up blackhead, it's immunity could be trying to fight that off and the cocci could take advantage of that weakness to multiply. Sulmet
Administration: Chickens And Turkeys

Add the required dose given above to that amount of water that will be consumed in 1 day. Water consumption should be carefully checked to insure adequate drug intake. As a generalization, 100 turkeys will drink 1 gallon of water per day for each week of age; chickens will consume one-half this amount. So 100 turkeys are expected to drink 1 gallon per day per week of age. 1 gal = 128 oz, divide by 100, so they are each expected to drink 1.28 oz per week of age. Chick is almost 13 weeks, so expected consumption for a turkey that age is 16.64 oz (about a quart) and a chicken would be expected to drink about half that much (about 2 cups).

You're good Frosty!!!

 

[kuntrygirl]

To me they look like some pics I've seen that were labeled as 'not eating'.  Mustard colored is supposed to be a blackhead symptom, but anything yellow merely indicates that the liver is involved.  I have to wonder, if this is indeed blackhead, could the sulmet have slowed the progression down?  If it is cocci, it could be a form resistant to those meds.  kuntrygirl, did you say that the peachick is eating and drinking on it's own yet?  I'll go back and look, it just seems that I saw that... When you were dosing directly, how much were you giving?    

I don't want to add confusion here, but it could be both coccidiosis and blackhead, though not likely.

Both? WOW!!!!

 

[kuntrygirl]

I guess I can treat for both until I can see the vet. It can't hurt. If not, she could still die (either way).

 

[zazouse]

WHAT>>>>There is no way you can get 8 oz of anything down that baby even with an iv are you sure they understood the weight?
Sulmet has the dosage on the bottle that is how i use it when i suspect bacterial illness and green green poop is a sure sign of that, i recently put one of my roos on sulmet water for 5 days because of green poo and he is fine now.

Also a little ting of blood in the birds stool does not always mean cocci, birds shed can shed some of their intestins lining sometimes for various reasons.

 

[kuntrygirl]

   WHAT>>>>There is no way you can get 8 oz of anything down that baby even with an iv are you sure they understood the weight?
Sulmet has the dosage on the bottle that is how i use it when i suspect bacterial illness and green green poop is a sure sign of that, i recently put one of my roos on sulmet water for 5 days because of green poo and he is fine now.

Also a little ting of blood in the birds stool does not always mean cocci, birds shed can shed some of their intestins lining sometimes for various reasons.

Well that was my initial reaction as well. I confirmed the 2.47 lbs (weight of the pea - unless my weight is wrong but I weighed her on a digital kitchen scale). I thought 8 ounces (on the high end like I said) was too much. She asked if I wanted the 89 mg/lb/day as stated on the bottle. I told her to calculate the 89 mg. Perhaps I should have said the low end (61 mg). I can always do less than 8 oz. The initial answer was 225 ml. That IS a lot. My syringe is only 5 ml :/

recommended dose of approximately 61 to 89 mg/lb/day (134 to 196 mg/kg/day) body weight in chickens

The dosage is on the bottle but it's directed to put in the water so that they can drink it themselves. What if the bird has stopped drinking? Then what do you do? You have to get it down them some kind of way? Do you administer medicated water yourself to your birds or have you done it in the past?

How much did your roo drink?

 

[Frosty]

WHAT>>>>There is no way you can get 8 oz of anything down that baby even with an iv are you sure they understood the weight?
Sulmet has the dosage on the bottle that is how i use it when i suspect bacterial illness and green green poop is a sure sign of that, i recently put one of my roos on sulmet water for 5 days because of green poo and he is fine now.

Also a little ting of blood in the birds stool does not always mean cocci, birds shed can shed some of their intestins lining sometimes for various reasons.

The 8 oz is per day, not in one sitting. If baby isn't drinking enough, I would mix it stronger so that the correct dose is given per day. I have done that when trying to get amoxi into sick kittens. Example, 2 tablespoon per gallon would equate to 6 teaspoons per gallon. There are 16 cups in a gallon, so that would be .375 teaspoons per cup, a little more than 1/3 teaspoon. This converts to about 1.84 ml (a tuberculin or insulin syringe would be good for measuring small doses like that). Figure how much chick is drinking per day and add that dose to the water.

 

[kuntrygirl]

   WHAT>>>>There is no way you can get 8 oz of anything down that baby even with an iv are you sure they understood the weight?
Sulmet has the dosage on the bottle that is how i use it when i suspect bacterial illness and green green poop is a sure sign of that, i recently put one of my roos on sulmet water for 5 days because of green poo and he is fine now.

Also a little ting of blood in the birds stool does not always mean cocci, birds shed can shed some of their intestins lining sometimes for various reasons.

The 8 oz is per day, not in one sitting.  If baby isn't drinking enough, I would mix it stronger so that the correct dose is given per day.  I have done that when trying to get amoxi into sick kittens.  Example, 2 tablespoon per gallon would equate to 6 teaspoons per gallon.  There are 16 cups in a gallon, so that would be .375 teaspoons per cup, a little more than 1/3 teaspoon.  This converts to about 1.84 ml (a tuberculin or insulin syringe would be good for measuring small doses like that).  Figure how much chick is drinking per day and add that dose to the water.   

Yes, per day (at different times). When I make wet mash, I have been using the medicated water in the feed, so that is going in her as well. I have been dosing in the morning, evening and before bedtime. I thought about mixing it stronger but I was scared.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Do you all think that our healthy birds drink 8 ounces of water a day?

 

[Frosty]

Do you have any idea on how much she is actually drinking per day?

 

[kuntrygirl]

Do you have any idea on how much she is actually drinking per day?

I wish I knew. When I saw her drinking, she took about 7 mouthfuls of water but I don't know how much that would be.