Sled dog breeding

[Americano Blue]

Thanks, he's got a bludging disk, for a year now. This morning he couldn't get in he's truck, so he tried a few things and ended up geting one leg cought in the steering wheel and the other one hanging out the truck. Then he went to the doc and the doc scrude up and made my dad start crying in pain( it takes a LOT to make him cry[hes got pride]) so know he can't walk cuz one legs to stiff, so he's going to work tomarrow( so we get the $$ for bills) and I hope he gets better soon. He's on 5 deferent pain killers.

he's only 45 years old and he's worst off than my 70+ yr old grand pa.

HE WILL GET BETTER! But I'm real worried cuz mom started cry when she told me all this! But HE WILL GET BETTER!

I'm sorry about you dad. that must be hard. He WILL get better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Americano Blue]

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that rate for dogs is in Alaska where lots of people mush. Dogs where i live are cheaper because there isn't many mushers here. Dogs are priced base past in away, not future.

 

[SternRose]

He does do excersises and he is seeing a special doc, we just can't afford the surgery they want to do. We would do it but mom and dad are in deep doodoo cuz of me. I had my appendices removed cuz it was bursting last year. It was like $50,000 cuz I took more meds to nock me ok cuz I have BAD anxiety. I went 2 years ago cuz of my appendices and the doc did nothing but give me pain meds. And there's 9 kids in our house. Money is TIGHT.

 

[dainerra]

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agreed! It was more sour grapes I'm Chief Ring Steward for our obedience trial this weekend. Have spent the last few weeks organizing people and schedules (or trying to!). Wish I was getting paid. lol

 

[dainerra]

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hmm I see lots of dogs for those prices outside Alaska. the other things you are talking about? knowledgeable sport people don't worry as much about those. Puppies come with hip and/or performance guarantees. Older dogs (over 4 months old) can be xrayed and prelimed as a condition of purchase. If the dog doesn't pass, the purchase is voided. The dog then goes into a pet home. Knowledgeable people don't judge by "the dog moves funny" It's normal for young dogs (up to a year old or more) to go through gangling awkward phases. It has nothing to do with the health of the dog - they may bunny hop. They may gait weird. They may be so clumsy that they can't walk a straight line without falling over their own feet. THAT is why good breeders (no matter the state) get more for their puppies. Because they do the work both before they breed and after. They are behind the dog for life.

 

[Starfire669]

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hmm I see lots of dogs for those prices outside Alaska. the other things you are talking about? knowledgeable sport people don't worry as much about those. Puppies come with hip and/or performance guarantees. Older dogs (over 4 months old) can be xrayed and prelimed as a condition of purchase. If the dog doesn't pass, the purchase is voided. The dog then goes into a pet home. Knowledgeable people don't judge by "the dog moves funny" It's normal for young dogs (up to a year old or more) to go through gangling awkward phases. It has nothing to do with the health of the dog - they may bunny hop. They may gait weird. They may be so clumsy that they can't walk a straight line without falling over their own feet. THAT is why good breeders (no matter the state) get more for their puppies. Because they do the work both before they breed and after. They are behind the dog for life.

Very true. It's also a myth that all dogs are mature at 2 years of age. Siberians, mature slower, sometimes taking up to 3 years to be fully mature. Currently I have a 3 year old, nearly 2 year old, a 9 month old and 8 month old Siberians. The 3 year old looks and acts much differently than the others, the 2 year old looks good in body, but her bones and mind are still maturing and I can feel the difference in her legs compared to the 3 year olds. Both puppies look like someone put them on a torture device and stretched the crap out of them. Phantom may look and move akwardly until 2 years of age, then get the dignified majestic look as he matures at 3. This means he might not do well in shows until he is 2 and he should not pull weight or breed until he is 3 years of age. It is the same as human children, when teenagers hit a growth spurt and get uncoordinated because of how fast their body is growing. And here is a bit of trivia for you, racehorses aren't fully mature until they are 3 years old. This is why so many horses racing for the triple crown break legs, and less older horses break down. Racehorses are a business and it's big money to win the triple crown, so they force the horses to race when their bones aren't ready and this causes massive injuries and damage to the young horses. So let us dog people take a lesson from racehorses and NOT do something similar with our performance dogs! (when I was younger I loved horses and horse racing. Until I discovered the truth about it. We lost great horses such as Barbaro, Ruffian, and countless others to greed). Please do not put a young, still developing dog in harness to test it and risk injury. Oh a side note, Phantom gaiting is one of the funniest things to watch! He tries to gait, gets it for a few steps, and then his feet go everywhere! It kinda reminds me of what a dog would look like on slippery ice, the feet going in different directions, lol. The dog my youngest son is training with, by contrast looks great, but she is our 3 year old Siberian. My older son has decided he wants to learn agility using my Belgian Malinois. What started out as something for me to do, has become a kind of family thing. I just don't think I can fit 2 teenagers, 3 dogs, and all their supplies in my car.

 

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And here is a bit of trivia for you, racehorses aren't fully mature until they are 3 years old. This is why so many horses racing for the triple crown break legs, and less older horses break down. Racehorses are a business and it's big money to win the triple crown, so they force the horses to race when their bones aren't ready and this causes massive injuries and damage to the young horses. So let us dog people take a lesson from racehorses and NOT do something similar with our performance dogs! (when I was younger I loved horses and horse racing. Until I discovered the truth about it. We lost great horses such as Barbaro, Ruffian, and countless others to greed). Please do not put a young, still developing dog in harness to test it and risk injury.

Not to go off topic, but that statement is not 100% true. A few of the bones/joints in the legs are fused and "mature" at 3, but other bones and joints are not fused and mature until the horse is closer to 6 years of age.

Starting to break/ride horses at 18 months of age is not something done only by race trainers, it is pretty well the accepted norm for trainers of most disciplines. AQHA, Arabs, Morgans, etc have classes for uber-young horses. Anytime you see a horse being shown in a western saddle, but with a ringed snaffle bit or a hackamore/bosal, it is because the horse is young - generally under 3 years of age IIRC.

My personal horses do not get saddle broke and ridden hard, or even worked hard in a round pen/lunge line, until they are 4. And that is why, at 30 and 37 years of age, they can STILL be ridden. The 30 year old has zero lameness issues, I broke him when he was 4, rode him gently until he was 6, and rode the crap outta him until he was 20. My kids are the only reason he has had a break for the last 10 years. I've been too busy.

 

[Starfire669]

Not to go off topic, but that statement is not 100% true. A few of the bones/joints in the legs are fused and "mature" at 3, but other bones and joints are not fused and mature until the horse is closer to 6 years of age.

Starting to break/ride horses at 18 months of age is not something done only by race trainers, it is pretty well the accepted norm for trainers of most disciplines. AQHA, Arabs, Morgans, etc have classes for uber-young horses. Anytime you see a horse being shown in a western saddle, but with a ringed snaffle bit or a hackamore/bosal, it is because the horse is young - generally under 3 years of age IIRC.

My personal horses do not get saddle broke and ridden hard, or even worked hard in a round pen/lunge line, until they are 4. And that is why, at 30 and 37 years of age, they can STILL be ridden. The 30 year old has zero lameness issues, I broke him when he was 4, rode him gently until he was 6, and rode the crap outta him until he was 20. My kids are the only reason he has had a break for the last 10 years. I've been too busy.

I am not as well versed in horses as I have gotten with Siberian Huskies. After I found out about delicate racehorses leg bones are and how racing at 2 years of age was the a big reason so many great horses broke legs, well it sickened me. I still find horses to be beautiful, majestic, noble, and all around great animals, but I will never have one. Due to my back injury I can only admire them from afar, or I could end up in a whelk chair for life.

The fact that you put your horses health and soundness first speaks well of you. I thank you for clarification on the subject. I hope that all breeders of any animals can use facts such as this to push them to do their homework before they start breeding, and then to breed with good healthy stock and get healthy pups.

 

[SternRose]

I studied breeding rabbits for a year, then got my two breeding pairs.

 

[Americano Blue]

Very true. It's also a myth that all dogs are mature at 2 years of age. Siberians, mature slower, sometimes taking up to 3 years to be fully mature. Currently I have a 3 year old, nearly 2 year old, a 9 month old and 8 month old Siberians. The 3 year old looks and acts much differently than the others, the 2 year old looks good in body, but her bones and mind are still maturing and I can feel the difference in her legs compared to the 3 year olds. Both puppies look like someone put them on a torture device and stretched the crap out of them. Phantom may look and move akwardly until 2 years of age, then get the dignified majestic look as he matures at 3. This means he might not do well in shows until he is 2 and he should not pull weight or breed until he is 3 years of age. It is the same as human children, when teenagers hit a growth spurt and get uncoordinated because of how fast their body is growing.

And here is a bit of trivia for you, racehorses aren't fully mature until they are 3 years old. This is why so many horses racing for the triple crown break legs, and less older horses break down. Racehorses are a business and it's big money to win the triple crown, so they force the horses to race when their bones aren't ready and this causes massive injuries and damage to the young horses. So let us dog people take a lesson from racehorses and NOT do something similar with our performance dogs! (when I was younger I loved horses and horse racing. Until I discovered the truth about it. We lost great horses such as Barbaro, Ruffian, and countless others to greed). Please do not put a young, still developing dog in harness to test it and risk injury.

Oh a side note, Phantom gaiting is one of the funniest things to watch! He tries to gait, gets it for a few steps, and then his feet go everywhere! It kinda reminds me of what a dog would look like on slippery ice, the feet going in different directions, lol. The dog my youngest son is training with, by contrast looks great, but she is our 3 year old Siberian. My older son has decided he wants to learn agility using my Belgian Malinois. What started out as something for me to do, has become a kind of family thing. I just don't think I can fit 2 teenagers, 3 dogs, and all their supplies in my car.

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please stop responding like I'm stupid. I DO know what I'm talking about but i have a really hard time trying to explain this with out using psychical and visual things. I understand pricing for dogs and how to tell a good from a bad. That is why i keep telling the OP to have a mentor when buying a dog