Soft shells nonstop now

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A few weeks ago my best layer started laying soft shell eggs out of the blue. And when I say soft shell, most of the time there isn’t even much of a membrane to speak of, it’s like the yolk and white almost just fall out without much of anything else. Sometimes there is that long tube membrane attached, some times a soft covering with calcium smears, but her last few weeks have been a laying disaster. She acts totally normal and happy and zesty most of the time, but then the late afternoon/evening before she’s due for an egg, she gets quiet, slow, and sorta hides and sits a bit fluffy. Then at 5pm-6pm or so she goes into the box and lays her liquid egg. Then they are put to bed at 7:30 and she’s sorta snapping out of it and in the am she is right as rain, running around happy as sassy as usual and then a few days/a week later, the process repeats. I’m trying what I can but I can’t seem to fix it.

Facts about the flock: 4 hens, fully enclosed run and coop (no free ranging here, but lots of sunshine and fresh air). Main food is free feeding Kalmbach organic GMO free layer crumbles. They get secondary food, (which is doled out as a snack) of Kalmbach henhouse reserve layer food (they like the seeds but we don’t give them much). Snacks (less than 10% of the daily food intake) consists of a mixture of scratch grains and sunflower seeds, mealworms &/or soliderfly larvae & assorted greens (usually organic parsley as it is an egg supportive herb). They also get some scrambled eggs mixed into the breakfast crumbles when it’s cold out (the 4 of them share one scrambled egg). But the bulk of the diet is the organic crumbles
They have free access to grit and oyster shell and they use it all the time. Fresh water 1-2 times a day. All my other hens are doing fine with egg production and shell quality.

This particular Hen is an Orpington and just turned 2 years old. She’s has always been a strong layer- slow starter (10 months old before first egg) but since then she usually lays eggs for 2 days, takes a day off and lays 2 more days and rinse and repeat. She even laid mostly thru her first big molt this last fall (took 2-3 weeks off and then gave an egg every other day or so after that, but did that all thru the molting regrow, and winter as well!). Her eggs have always been PERFECT. Smooth, glossy and a nice even color with strong shells. Then a few weeks ago she seemed sick and down and I found a soft shell mess in the coop and she was back to normal a few hours later. Then she took a week off, and then she did it again. Then took a week off and did it again. It’s been 4 of them now like this.

I have given rooster booster in the water every few days to add probiotics and minerals incase she needed more. I have tried giving her canned tuna 2x a week (just 2 tablespoons at a time) for a protein boost and also a D3 boost to help the calcium absorb better and I have mixed in an extra strength Tums into the tuna to boost her calcium reserves.

I have given her a few doses of Nutri-drench poultry to help boost her up with anything she needs vitamin wise. I knew today she was probably working on an egg soon as it had been a week since her last soft egg. She got her tuna spiked with tums and I put a raw dose of the nutri-drench right into the tuna to make sure she got it(1ml per dosing on the bottle), since I don’t know how much she drinks when it’s in water.

But tonight she did the same thing- a few hours of being low and not her usual self, then a wet plop in the box around 7pm after sitting in the box for 30 minutes and then back to almost normal around 8:30pm at bedtime. Her droppings are normal,
No bugs or mites or anything and she is the picture of a sassy silly chicken except the few hours before an egg and a few after.

I just don’t know what else to do for her. I love her to bits and don’t care if she never gives me another egg again, but I hate to see her be so happy and normal all week and then be a sad, puffed baby for a few hours and then drop a wet egg in the box (I’d also like to stop replacing my nesting pad once a week too- but that’s beside the point). She went from a champion layer who was always trying to go broody, to this all of a sudden inability to lay an egg and I don’t know what else to try for her health and shell repair. We don’t have a vet, and I think there maybe is one in town who sees chickens, but what would they do for her? Can this even be fixed? All my others are doing great and laying great so it can’t be the food or environment, or the other things they get, so what is happening and how can i help her thru this? She is such a Velcro lovebug and I want her to feel her best and not risk anything that might be wrong if she has the egg break inside her.
What can I do?!
 

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Hi,

Wow, she's pretty!

You are a star doing everything for her I can imagine. There's only one thing more to try that I can think of beyond everything you're doing:

Get some Calcium Citrate w/ D3 in it, and give her around 300 mg of it once per day for a few days, up to a week. You can skip the Tums while you're doing this. Just pop it into her mouth and she should swallow it. That will cause contractions and help her expel anything inside that might be stuck. You said she's pooping normally, so I kind of doubt she's got a whole egg in there but you never know.

As long as she's not seeming stressed out about it, I'd also try a warm Epsom salt bath. Provided that relaxes her, that can also help move things along and might make her feel better. Don't do it if it's going to stress her out though.

Hopefully she gets past this!
 
Smooth, glossy and a nice even color with strong shells. Then a few weeks ago she seemed sick and down and I found a soft shell mess in the coop and she was back to normal a few hours later. Then she took a week off, and then she did it again. Then took a week off and did it again. It’s been 4 of them now like this.
It sounds like she caught something and is still fighting it off - egg production is not something the body must do to survive so comes low in the line for resources; that's she's resumed production at all is a sign she's getting better - possibly mycoplasmosis. When you get a shell, look out for the classic signs of M synoviae in figure 5 here https://www.nadis.org.uk/disease-a-z/poultry/diseases-of-farmyard-poultry/part-1-mycoplasmosis/
I hate to see her be so happy and normal all week and then be a sad, puffed baby for a few hours and then drop a wet egg in the box
If you intervene, you risk upsetting her 'happy and normal almost all the time' just to try to improve those few short times she's feeling off. Balance of benefit?
She went from a champion layer who was always trying to go broody, to this all of a sudden inability to lay an egg and I don’t know what else to try for her health and shell repair.
Wait. Be patient. Her body is trying to fix it. She's trying to resume laying. She will probably get there if you just let her do it her way. My favorite hen is in her 9th year now, and she went through the same at about the same age as yours is. I nearly culled her on bad advice. SO glad I didn't. This is her yesterday
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and she's still laying!
 
Hi,

Wow, she's pretty!

You are a star doing everything for her I can imagine. There's only one thing more to try that I can think of beyond everything you're doing:

Get some Calcium Citrate w/ D3 in it, and give her around 300 mg of it once per day for a few days, up to a week. You can skip the Tums while you're doing this. Just pop it into her mouth and she should swallow it. That will cause contractions and help her expel anything inside that might be stuck. You said she's pooping normally, so I kind of doubt she's got a whole egg in there but you never know.

As long as she's not seeming stressed out about it, I'd also try a warm Epsom salt bath. Provided that relaxes her, that can also help move things along and might make her feel better. Don't do it if it's going to stress her out though.

Hopefully she gets past this!
Thanks, she’s as sweet as she is cute! She wouldn’t mind a warm Epsom bath once she is feeling fine a few hours later- as a matter of fact she’d probably enjoy it after the cool baths I had to give her last summer to help break her brooding habit (even cool baths she just sits there and looks at me and patiently waits to be taken out 😆).

I’ll pick up some of those Vits today. She won’t take a pill from me, but if I break it up and add to a snack she will eat it happily. I just don’t want to over do it on anything and cause kidney damage or stones or anything, so I’ve been hesitant to give more stuff. But I’ll try anything if it helps. Her nickname is sugar biscuit because she is so sweet and gentle (& sadly bottom of pecking order) but she just needs a boost right now I think.
 
It sounds like she caught something and is still fighting it off - egg production is not something the body must do to survive so comes low in the line for resources; that's she's resumed production at all is a sign she's getting better - possibly mycoplasmosis. When you get a shell, look out for the classic signs of M synoviae in figure 5 here https://www.nadis.org.uk/disease-a-z/poultry/diseases-of-farmyard-poultry/part-1-mycoplasmosis/

If you intervene, you risk upsetting her 'happy and normal almost all the time' just to try to improve those few short times she's feeling off. Balance of benefit?

Wait. Be patient. Her body is trying to fix it. She's trying to resume laying. She will probably get there if you just let her do it her way. My favorite hen is in her 9th year now, and she went through the same at about the same age as yours is. I nearly culled her on bad advice. SO glad I didn't. This is her yesterday
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and she's still laying!
She’s so pretty and fancy and I’m glad yours is better now!
I looked into that link and read up all about that condition, but I can’t make any of her symptoms match other than poor egg quality.

Besides her eggs, she’s the picture of health. No respiratory issues, no wheezing or breathing problems. No discharge or watery eyes. She’s bright eyed, red comb, breathing fine, eating drinking great, and nothing else about her is off, except those few hours pre soft shell and of course the shell-less egg.
I’m glad you didn’t cull her! I could absolutely never do that to one of my babies (unless they were physically hurt and wounded beyond saving and in massive pain). I mean… if she had to become a house chicken wearing a diaper to save her health, so be it! lol!

But I have a feeling that this morning (like all other mornings after a soft shell) I’ll go out there to see them, and she will be her normal plucky self. She will eat breakfast that I have brought out, then have some water and come then jump up into my lap to tell me the gossip of the night (she my chatty one and talks to me for a few minutes) and then she will walk into the crook my arm, lay herself down, tuck her head into my pit/elbow area like an ostrich hiding and take a little snooze until it’s time for me to leave the run. And she will be the zesty, silly floof she is for another 5-7 days until she gets low in the afternoon and lays another soft shell before bed and will repeat.

Hopefully I can get her back to her old self with laying eggs, because I worry about her getting Egg peritonitis if something goes wrong during one of these laying sessions.
 
It is safe to give the calcium citrate with d orally for 7 days. If her eggs get better shells, that would point to maybe not getting enough calcium. If it doesn’t improve, I would go for 7 more days with the calcium. I would give less extras in her diet and more layer feed.
 
Since your hen mostly laid through molt, it might be her system is due for a break. Hopefully the soft shells don't cause any serious problems and hopefully her system will take a break and reset soon.
 

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