Solid black x Silver Spangled= Silver Lacing?

[Weber Girls]

A few months ago I bred my solid black langshan buckeye bantam cross (has a pea comb), with a purebred silver spangled hamburg bantam cock. The result was a bantam pullet with two feathers on each leg and double silver lacing. She is very pretty, and has the shape of a hamburg. She also has no comb, just a smooth spot where one should be. She is about 3 months old now. I would like to know how this pullet is laced, when her parents are solid black, and silver spangled. Also, I was wondering if I bred the same parents again, would the offspring would be consistently silver laced? I do not have any good pictures of her available at this time.

 

[nicalandia]

A few months ago I bred my solid black langshan buckeye bantam cross (has a pea comb), with a purebred silver spangled hamburg bantam cock. The result was a bantam pullet with two feathers on each leg and double silver lacing. She is very pretty, and has the shape of a hamburg. She also has no comb, just a smooth spot where one should be. She is about 3 months old now. I would like to know how this pullet is laced, when her parents are solid black, and silver spangled. Also, I was wondering if I bred the same parents again, would the offspring would be consistently silver laced? I do not have any good pictures of her available at this time.

such an easy question, wonder why it took too long to get answered..

but here I go..

the Sire cock genome is
E/eWh = Extended Black/Wheaten Heterozygote (making him solid black colored, Wheaten from Buckeye)
Co/co+ = Columbian Heterozygote (Columbian from Buckeye parent)
Ml/ml+ = Melanotic (one melanotic gene from langshan parent)
S/s+ = Golden, one Silver gene from Langshan parent

the Dame hen genome is

ER/ER = Birchen, spangled Hamburgs are ER based
Pg/Pg = Pattern Gene, without it you cant have patterns like laced, or spangled, or autosomal barring
Ml/Ml = Melanotic, it shows as Black hackle and saddle on self Blue birds based on Bl/bl+ and Extended black, need it for spangling
Db/Db = Dark Brown, about the most powerful columbian restrictor and need it for Spangling
S/- = Silver, Sex linked dominant


so how exactly this happened? well that hen Had all of the Genes need it for a Silver Laced bird that is based on Birchen, like Silver Laced Sebright, Silver Laced Sebright genome is ER/ER Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Db/Db Co/Co,


your Silver laced hens genome is

ER/eWh = Birchen/eWh(wheaten from Buckeye grand parent)
Pg/pg+ = Pattern gene(from spangled mother)
Ml/Ml = Melanotic from langshan grand parent and spangled mother
Db/db+ = Dark brown restrictor from spangled mother
Co/co+ = Columbian restrictor from Buckeye grand parent..
S/- = Silver, Sex linked dominant and she got this from her Langshang grand parent..

so if you look at her genome it will look almost identical to the Silver Laced Sebright genome, ER/eWh Pg/pg+ Ml/Ml Db/db+ Co/co+ and Thats why she is Silver Laced..



If you cross the same parens(Langshan/Buckeye x Silver Spangled) again, you will have alot of chicks with different patterns, some will hatch gold spangled, some will be gold laced, and some will be solid black, you just won the genetic lotery I guess

 

[mrshawman]

The man knows all !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[donrae]

such an easy question, wonder why it took too long to get answered..

but here I go..

the Sire cock genome is
E/eWh = Extended Black/Wheaten Heterozygote (making him solid black colored, Wheaten from Buckeye)
Co/co+ = Columbian Heterozygote (Columbian from Buckeye parent)
Ml/ml+ = Melanotic (one melanotic gene from langshan parent)
S/s+ = Golden, one Silver gene from Langshan parent

the Dame hen genome is

ER/ER = Birchen, spangled Hamburgs are ER based
Pg/Pg = Pattern Gene, without it you cant have patterns like laced, or spangled, or autosomal barring
Ml/Ml = Melanotic, it shows as Black hackle and saddle on self Blue birds based on Bl/bl+ and Extended black, need it for spangling
Db/Db = Dark Brown, about the most powerful columbian restrictor and need it for Spangling
S/- = Silver, Sex linked dominant


so how exactly this happened? well that hen Had all of the Genes need it for a Silver Laced bird that is based on Birchen, like Silver Laced Sebright, Silver Laced Sebright genome is ER/ER Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Db/Db Co/Co,


your Silver laced hens genome is

ER/eWh = Birchen/eWh(wheaten from Buckeye grand parent)
Pg/pg+ = Pattern gene(from spangled mother)
Ml/Ml = Melanotic from langshan grand parent and spangled mother
Db/db+ = Dark brown restrictor from spangled mother
Co/co+ = Columbian restrictor from Buckeye grand parent..
S/- = Silver, Sex linked dominant and she got this from her Langshang grand parent..

so if you look at her genome it will look almost identical to the Silver Laced Sebright genome, ER/eWh Pg/pg+ Ml/Ml Db/db+ Co/co+ and Thats why she is Silver Laced..



If you cross the same parens(Langshan/Buckeye x Silver Spangled) again, you will have alot of chicks with different patterns, some will hatch gold spangled, some will be gold laced, and some will be solid black, you just won the genetic lotery I guess

Oh sure, that question and your answer were just a piece of cake for us "genetics lite" folks

Seriously, you know I totally respect you and learn tons from your answers, so always love reading your posts

. I think you just overestimate a lot of us here!

 

[nicalandia]

Oh sure, that question and your answer were just a piece of cake for us "genetics lite" folks

Seriously, you know I totally respect you and learn tons from your answers, so always love reading your posts

. I think you just overestimate a lot of us here!

ah thanks, I think I was feeling very sharp yesterday, and all of the genetic equations aligned themselves on my head

I think he was very lucky as there was a 50% chance of that pullet getting Extended black from its langshan grand parent and turning the chick into a all black chick instead of silver laced,

 

[keesmom]

Oh sure, that question and your answer were just a piece of cake for us "genetics lite" folks

Seriously, you know I totally respect you and learn tons from your answers, so always love reading your posts

. I think you just overestimate a lot of us here!

Same here. I wish I had even a fraction of your knowledge of genetics.

 

[nicalandia]

Same here. I wish I had even a fraction of your knowledge of genetics.

thanks, I appreciate that alot

 

[Weber Girls]

Thank you very much! One more question: why doesn't the pullet have a comb?

 

[nicalandia]

Thank you very much! One more question: why doesn't the pullet have a comb?

post a pic of such pullet, the pullets take longer to develope one, OR... maybe she has what its called a breda comb, which is no comb at all

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Or it is possible that is simply hasn't developed much yet. Many folks say silkie pullets don;t have combs, and they do, but they are usually small and slow to develop. And silkie comb genotype is much the same as your bird's comb. (pea + rose)