Some MEDICATED chicken feed may be poisonous for horses

[Kiki]

Sort of along (well pretty much exactly) why you don't dose chickens with Amprolium while also using vitamins/electrolytes in their water. At least that's the logic I always used

Correct, one would save the vitamins for after the treatment is finished.

 

[uaimlesschicken]

No need to wait...the b1 dose is 2.5x the recommended daily needs. She is getting 0.185 for the last 2 weeks and will continue for another 2 weeks.

 

[paneubert]

Well....I guess we learned from this thread that there are some drugs in chicken feed that kill horses, at least one game bird feed that kills everyone other than game birds, and that Amprolium is a thiamine blocker (which we all knew).

 

[aart]

She is getting 0.185

0.185 what(unit of measurement)?

 

[uaimlesschicken]

0.185 what(unit of measurement)?

1 teaspoon every 24 hours. Hopefully another 2 weeks will bring her back to normal. 0.56 mg recommended daily intake a day for dogs.

 

[aart]

0.185 what(unit of measurement)?

1 teaspoon every 24 hours. Hopefully another 2 weeks will bring her back to normal. 0.56 mg recommended daily intake a day for dogs.

So 1 teaspoon is 0.185mg?
Just trying to become more informed by asking for details when things are presented clearly.

 

[uaimlesschicken]

So 1 teaspoon is 0.185mg?
Just trying to become more informed by asking for details when things are presented clearly.

No o.185mg daily is recommended dose if medicating with Amprolium. Since my yorkie is severely deficient she is taking 5ml/1 teaspoon every 24 hours to recover to normal blood levels quickly. 0.56mg is adequate daily intake.

 

[paneubert]

I wonder if it is based on weight (yorkie being tiny), or if it is a general quantity being "good" across the board to correct the deficiency. B1 is water soluble, so you theoretically can't really overdo it and would pee out any excess. Multiple smaller doses per day would technically be more beneficial for increased absorption, but I am sure one big dose per day does the trick (since the vet says so).

 

[Kiki]

What I'd like to know is how thiamine affects blood counts.
Can you ask your vet at your next check up please?

 

[CountryFried]

I can't find any feed in the US that have this in them.

@Texas Kiki, forgot to mention this on my quail post. I asked him about making guinea feed for me with 28% protein with amprolium, and interestingly enough (it's interesting now that I've read this thread), he'd never heard of amprolium!

I have a feeling that this may be one of those "10-20 years ago it was a problem" type of problems. Maybe other parts of the world still use monensin (or anything other than amprolium), but I have never seen or heard of it in my time keeping quail and chickens. I see references to it being used for cattle, but not poultry.

Posting the pic of the tag below. Never saw this thread until tonight, took the pics today at a feed mill in Southeast Alabama. There are TONS of commercial chicken houses around here, at least 2 processing plants that I know of, 11 chickens houses at one farm about a mile from me. I'm guessing the chicken farmers are his main buyers. Said he's only had one inquiry about waterfowl specific food before, most feed his 20% chicken feed to them.

Well, small disclaimer. I do see it being advertised as a standalone drug to administer to cure stuff that you would expect an antibiotic to cure in poultry. But not seeing any feed that uses it as a preventative.

Well the person who started this thread posted what to me sounds a lot like a game of telephone or a chain letter. The cousin of a friend of a friend of an inlaw heard from the radio that something something something....cancer.

"One of the other chicken forums I belong to just posted a thread about medicated chicken feed being poisonous for horses and other animals. It started out with a really harrowing story about how two horses who'd gotten into a bag of chicken feed were rushed to the vet".

OK, I'm allergic to horses, but don't they get...colic or something...when they get into feed anyway? I mean, shouldn't all grains be kept secure around horses? (And goats!)