Some MEDICATED chicken feed may be poisonous for horses

[paneubert]

I just noticed this is in the "Managing your flock" section. I am going to see if it can be moved to the "Emergencies, Injuries, Cures, etc..." section since that is where a lot of the great problem solvers live.

 

[uaimlesschicken]

I just noticed this is in the "Managing your flock" section. I am going to see if it can be moved to the "Emergencies, Injuries, Cures, etc..." section since that is where a lot of the great problem solvers live.

Thanks it is very serious and is not over yet. I did not know this about Amprolium and almost lost my yorkie. Luckily I have a very knowledgeable vet and by the way she is not an a**hole like suggested. She knew exactly what she was seeing. I did not tell her I had new chicks she asked me with the symptoms that were presenting. I just thought that I would add to the forum.

 

[paneubert]

I wonder what it is about the drug that causes b12 issues in dogs/(all mammals maybe?). Thiamine is b1, and the drug is meant to be an analog of that. So why the b12 problem? I'll have to look into it.

 

[Kiki]

That is great that they figured out the problem. Nobody wants to see a dog die. That being said.....



We armchair vet diagnose since we care. And are curious about stuff. Have you seen the lengths people here go to find scientific research to support most of their claims? Or citing vet manuals, etc...? And in almost all cases, they advocate for a vet visit if it is beyond their knowledge.

I will guarantee that the folks on here who care about this type of thing are going to file away the info you just gave about B12 in their brains and pull it back out next time this topic comes up. I'll bet a dollar. Your vet sounds sort of like an a-hole......sorry.

 

[uaimlesschicken]

I wonder what it is about the drug that causes b12 issues in dogs/(all mammals maybe?). Thiamine is b1, and the drug is meant to be an analog of that. So why the b12 problem? I'll have to look into it.

Sorry B1 not 12

 

[paneubert]

Sorry B1 not 12

Ohh....well...no duh. Haha. We all know that a massive dose of Amprolium is going to block absorption of thiamine, which is B1. So all the vet said make perfect sense. Well.....does it though? Do you really dose B1 alongside Amprolium? Wouldn't they cancel each other out? This is what I want to check into. If you want to be our Guinea pig, ask the vet at the next appointment why b1 dosed with Amprolium doesn't cancel each other out.

 

[Kiki]

Ohh....well...no duh. Haha. We all know that a massive dose of Amprolium is going to block absorption of thiamine, which is B1. So all the vet said make perfect sense. Well.....does it though? Do you really dose B1 alongside Amprolium? Wouldn't they cancel each other out? This is what I want to check into. If you want to be our Guinea pig, ask the vet at the next appointment why b1 dosed with Amprolium doesn't cancel each other out.

It does cancel each out.
It's in a very book.
Brb with the link to it.

 

[paneubert]

It does cancel each out.
It's in a very book.
Brb with the link to it.

Yeah....that's why it makes 100% sense in this case to do. Huge Amprolium overdose, deficiency in b1/thiamine, so shoot the dog up with b1/thiamine.

But in a case where you are intentionally dosing Amprolium into the dog to treat, I dont know why you would also dose b1.

 

[Kiki]

Yeah....that's why it makes 100% sense in this case to do. Huge Amprolium overdose, deficiency in b1/thiamine, so shoot the dog up with b1/thiamine.

But in a case where you are intentionally dosing Amprolium into the dog to treat, I dont know why you would also dose b1.

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[paneubert]

Sort of along the same lines (well pretty much exactly) why you don't dose chickens with Amprolium while also using vitamins/electrolytes in their water. At least that's the logic I always used