wow everyone very cool, yeah there is lots to be learned from many people, about the birds that they love. there is something to be said about a hobby breeder, striving to better the breed, this was extremely evident with Joey's birds. Less truly is more!! I am looking forward to moving forward, I am excited about seeing some of the friendly faces from the norco meet up at the SCNA show coming up June 4 In ramona. We will have a for sale area and I am sure lots of amazing seramas. I am just waiting on the entry packets, the one i have is the pprototype and it is still for one show, not the doubble judge show that is going on now, 2 times the points.!!