Spalding peacocks pictures!

[MinxFox]

True you are right it probably would be faster and easier to just introduce the color or pattern sooner than later.

Wow only 220 dollars!? What age are the greens going for that price? Are those young birds or breeding age birds? No matter the age that is a great deal...If only you could find quality green peafowl for that price in the US...Then a lot more people would raise them. If only it wasn't so costly to get those greens to the US. I still say the UPA could organize a donation pool to import green peafowl...I know they might be struggling just to get enough money for the organization to keep it functioning but still...

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

If you cross a Spalding 64/65 with Pavo cristatus ... you break all the work you've done ... the hybrid cross should be done earlier ... I think!

Here in Europe you can buy a very good quality of Pavo muticus muticus (Menning blood) for dollar 220 .
The market is saturated!

q8peafowl ....now we want to see some pictures !

Sadly i don't have pictures for him, i only saw him once at his farm.

 

[Dany12]

.... those one ?

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

No this one is from my friend birds, i think you found it in instagram right?

 

[Dany12]

On ... Pingram me-tag .... may be theu aren't birds of Kuwait.
I saw that you are the King of the peacock in Kuwait!

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

On ... Pingram me-tag .... may be theu aren't birds of Kuwait.
I saw that you are the King of the peacock in Kuwait!

Haha, oh no there is many people in Kuwait that know much about peafowl more than me, and they also have many peafowls more than me.
This picture was taken in US for sure not in Kuwait, but as i know someone purchased these birds first from US then my friend bought them from him.

 

[AugeredIn]

I do agree with this, but there is one thing that makes breeding a 64/65 Spalding not a waste of time and money... You can then use these green looking Spaldings to breed for other varieties such as pied. Now you can have a bird that looks like a green that is pied, white eye, etc. 64/65 Spaldings are used to introduce tallness and the look of a green peafowl into other varieties since so far we don't know of any varieties that can be made from breeding pure green peafowl (although there are some accounts of white green peafowl. Not sure if they are credible or not).

I personally don't like the 64/65 Spaldings because even if you do use them to enhance other varieties, once you are done using these birds you will sell them. Once you sell them you can't control what the new owner says. They could sell the offspring of these high Spaldings as pure green peafowl. They might think you didn't know what you are talking about and they could assume the birds are pure green peafowl even if you said they are not. Even then if the buyer does everything right, somewhere along the line in selling or trading someone will get confused, doubtful, or they will want more money so they will call the birds pure green peafowl and sell them just as that.

I just hope anyone breeding 64/65 Spaldings sells the birds carefully or doesn't sell any. I understand everyone has their own opinion on breeding peafowl but some peafowl breeders have spent a ton of money and time to import and take care of pure green peafowl. We have to keep the pure green peafowl in the US away from the high % Spalding peafowl or it will be a big mess. Not everyone wants green peafowl but for the ones like me who do, things need to be kept in order because it gets really confusing.
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Just to outline a few thoughts I (and others, MinxFox you know some of whom I am speaking of) have regarding spalding of any type:

1. The number of pure green birds in this country is INCREDIBLY small and every single one of them comes from a very small population.
2. It is entirely likely that one day we will NEVER be able to import pure green birds into the country.
3. Given 1. and 2. it is entirely likely the successive generations of green birds in this country will begin to experience significant negative inbreeding probabilities.
4. Neither blue or green birds are native to this country and thus there is no obligation to maintain purity for any biologic purpose within our country.
5. NO foreign country is EVER going to import blue or green birds back into those countries from the U.S. for re-population.
6. Green birds are incredibly flighty and do not breed well laying few eggs.
7. Human nature drives man to see what we can create biologically. We have done it for thousands of years. If you are one of those people that think we should in any situation maintain biologic purity you should immediately go and kill any dog or cat you currently own and most any bird you own.
8. Given 1. thru 6. it would seem prudent that anyone truly interested in maintaining a healthy line of green type birds should strive to lessen the impact of those problems.
9. Given 8. and 7. if you are one of those people that are well off enough to import green birds, you are probably deriving income from those birds thus it behooves you to both save a green looking line and to use that line to create other cool looking birds.
10. There will NEVER be registry or any other means to know if a bird is truly green in the US given 1. thru 9. except absolute trust in the person you are buying from unless there are DNA testing improvements.
11. Any other conversations about the issue are mostly a waste of time and energy.

 

[MinxFox]

Just to outline a few thoughts I (and others, MinxFox you know some of whom I am speaking of) have regarding spalding of any type:

1. The number of pure green birds in this country is INCREDIBLY small and every single one of them comes from a very small population.
Agreed
2. It is entirely likely that one day we will NEVER be able to import pure green birds into the country.
Never thought about that, but yes I am sure one day we won't be able to. Just look at Australia and how little they can get into their continent. I think all of their green peafowl are high % spaldings. Very big high % spaldings at that.
3. Given 1. and 2. it is entirely likely the successive generations of green birds in this country will begin to experience significant negative inbreeding probabilities.
I think negative inbreeding is already happening to some degree. We don't have many bloodlines...The only exceptional lines in the US that I am aware of are Rodney Michael and Wolfgang. Read Mountain Peafowl got better luck with his RM green peafowl when he bought a Wolfgang male from Rocking BAB. I think he is getting better results crossing the two lines. If it is true that some or all of Wolfgang's birds are inbreed, then our problem is even worse.
4. Neither blue or green birds are native to this country and thus there is no obligation to maintain purity for any biologic purpose within our country.
True...
5. NO foreign country is EVER going to import blue or green birds back into those countries from the U.S. for re-population.
Yeah definitely true. It would cost way more to get them from the US when they have Europe or Thailand right there. Plus our birds don't have enough genetic diversity and are probably so used to captive bred lives they might not do so well.
6. Green birds are incredibly flighty and do not breed well laying few eggs.
If you can't get their requirements down, they might not give you anything. A nearby breeder had a pair of greens and never got chicks from them. The male died recently of old age.
7. Human nature drives man to see what we can create biologically. We have done it for thousands of years. If you are one of those people that think we should in any situation maintain biologic purity you should immediately go and kill any dog or cat you currently own and most any bird you own.
I don't know what I think...I mainly just want to keep green peafowl pure because I like the way they look naturally. I have seen photos of mixed greens where they have been mixed with a few of the subspecies. They were pretty, but they didn't have that bright blue on their wing. I think once you do all of that mixing you lose some of the vibrance. Sure you get more cold tolerance, etc, but my favorite look is the look of a wild green peafowl. I understand why people want to breed spaldings and it is fun and challenging for them to see what kind of offspring they get since the spalding look varies so much. I even have several low % spaldings by accident. Probably most of my birds have a bit of green blood in them. I am sure that Damsel and Peep have some. They both have dark legs. I didn't notice Damsel's dark legs until later and then realized that it might mean she is a spalding and she probably is. So basically I want to keep green peafowl pure because I like the way they look as pure birds. I don't have much of a desire to do a lot of mixing up. The only thing I want is to breed some good pied birds, have whites, India Blues, blackshoulders, and have green peafowl and maybe eventually all three subspecies. Those are the only varieties I want but I want to give them all big planted aviaries and lots of hotwire outside. I do see how Spaldings could be helpful though...It is better to be mixed then to be inbreed. I will use a Native American clan as an example and I can because I am Native American haha...They want to keep themselves pure so they inbreed with each other. This has caused many to be mentally retarted. They drool all over themselves and can't really talk. When it comes down to it I would rather see green peafowl saved by mixing if inbreeding was starting to cause such issues.
8. Given 1. thru 6. it would seem prudent that anyone truly interested in maintaining a healthy line of green type birds should strive to lessen the impact of those problems.
Importing is expensive and the best solution is to get many people to chip in to help import green peafowl. I had an idea that the UPA could organize an importation of some green peafowl, but I don't think that will happen. My idea was that we try and get lots of people to help fund importing the birds. We would get several unrelated pairs and each pair would go to a different peafowl breeder - specifically a breeder who already has personal experience with caring for green peafowl so thus will be less likely to lose the birds. Then hopefully the pairs will have offspring and the offspring will be sent to other breeders who helped fund the importation. People who didn't help but want a green from this will have to wait until everyone who helped fund the importation get at least one green peafowl if they want one. I have saved up for a pair of nice green peafowl in the US, but if someone was going to do something like this I would put that money towards the import. There are so many risks and costs with importing so it is tough to convince people to import. You could have a bird die in quarantine, etc.
9. Given 8. and 7. if you are one of those people that are well off enough to import green birds, you are probably deriving income from those birds thus it behooves you to both save a green looking line and to use that line to create other cool looking birds.
Or help fund a group importation...

10. There will NEVER be registry or any other means to know if a bird is truly green in the US given 1. thru 9. except absolute trust in the person you are buying from unless there are DNA testing improvements.
I am hoping for DNA improvements but I have some people I definitely trust for greens...
11. Any other conversations about the issue are mostly a waste of time and energy.
Oops...Oh well I have nothing else to do anyways... Just wanted to also say though that many people own tigers in the US. I think one statistic said that there are more backyard tigers in the US then there are tigers in the wild. You hear about them getting out and the police shoot them or they get put down, etc and you might wonder why they do that to an endangered cat. Wellll...The pet tigers are normally mixes of different tiger subspecies like Siberian mixed with Bengal. Thus, they cannot use these for conservation so they can't be sent to zoos for conservation breeding projects. They normally end up being fixed and put into a rescue place for big cats, like the amazing Big Cat Rescue. Anyways, I guess this could be compared to green peafowl. Even the 'pure' ones in the US might just be mixed up subspecies so while they look pretty to me, they might still be worthless as far as conservation.

 

[Dany12]

Zoos can import ... no? ... They have more facilities.

The reccord is for China for tigers ... in the backyard !

Tiger farm ... animal rights !




http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/ar-tigerfarms.html

In the USA, in the law ... the animal is considered like a person ... like a piece of furniture, a thing, a cabinet ... or has special status?

 

[MinxFox]

I didn't think about that yes zoos should be able to import green peafowl. Zoos might have better connections to import them as well. But then how do you acquire green peafowl from a zoo? Do you have to be a member of the Zoological Association of America? I noticed on Texaspeafowl's site he lists being a member of that as well as the Dallas Zoological Society. I know some people do sell birds and other animals to zoos. Spectrum Ranch somehow has lots of critically endangered scimitar-horned oryx that he has lots of success breeding and I am sure he sells some of them to zoos.

China loves to use tigers for medicinal things. Tiger bones, meat, etc. To best explain the situation in the USA with tigers, I would say watch this video:

Not everyone mistreats tigers in the USA. The people who made the video are a great example of people trying to do right by big cats. I have visited them several times. The Big Cat Rescue rescues big cats that are starving, abandoned, etc. and gives them a nice home at their facility which they open to the public for tours. They also have a bunch of free-range peafowl who don't seem to mind living on a property surrounded by lions, tigers, leopards, jaguars, etc.