Have not heard of it interfering with nutrition to any degree. Medications, yes. But they're hardly considered nutrition, whereas obviously vitamins and minerals etc are.
Best wishes.
St. John's Wort
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Have not heard of it interfering with nutrition to any degree. Medications, yes. But they're hardly considered nutrition, whereas obviously vitamins and minerals etc are.
Best wishes.
Well, good to know. someone recently said they included vits and lytes in their treatment as well as the SJW. Peanut is not really responding like i'd hoped, although she is definitely brighter, seems quite cheerful and alert, always starving, and is now sitting on her chest instead of lying on her side...but I don't really consider that a significant improvement enough to stop treating her with the Hypericum. her legs are still more or less out to the side.
Some improve very, very slow and of course some just don't, individual susceptibility has a lot to do with it and there's only so much you can do with natural therapies when the individual's immune system is not able to overcome it. Well, really, all treatment, conventional or alternative, ultimately depends on the patient's immune system. Hope she gets better.
From what I understand of illness, higher doses of nutrition are often needed. Not in all cases but in most cases, especially ones like this. The organism has a big workload on it. But it's a fine line to tread between overdoing it and underdoing it. Good luck with that.
Best wishes.
From what I understand of illness, higher doses of nutrition are often needed. Not in all cases but in most cases, especially ones like this. The organism has a big workload on it. But it's a fine line to tread between overdoing it and underdoing it. Good luck with that.
Best wishes.
thank you. Yes, it's frustrating. And I know what the odds are, but, like many say, how can you give up when the bird has not. She is not improving much...only slight changes and I'm not sure they're improvements or what they are. I've noticed that her legs have stopped the weird, aimless paddling (sometimes) but she still can't use them, neither can she use her wings. She has gained a couple of ounces and is no longer frantically starving and thirsty like she was, but she still eats pretty well. She seems cheerful and is very alert. Doesn't seem to be in any pain. So...we'll see I guess.
And I have noticed that the premium vitamins seem to have made a big difference in ALL our patients lately.
And I have noticed that the premium vitamins seem to have made a big difference in ALL our patients lately.
Sounds good, hope she makes it. I totally agree with not giving up on the animal while the animal hasn't yet given up.
On the topic of SJW, I found some recent information for goats and other ruminants regarding reactions to SJW.
Source: http://www.mla.com.au/CustomControl...WgU7vSJIm2Y5IZA2bygFt3EYMKKAfsht7d1Tnt3BqiA==
Case study – St John’s wort:
"Grazing began on Richard Arnott’s Birnham Wood, Coolah, in 1979. The paddock was heavily infested hill country that had
been aerially top-dressed with subterranean clover and fertiliser.
Initially the stocking rate used was 8.2 DSE*/ha, comprising 4 DSE/ha goats and 4.2 DSE/ha cattle. After two years the rate
of goats was progressively reduced and that of cattle increased. The rate in 1994 was 2.2 DSE/ha goats and 6 DSE/ha cattle.
By 1986 the goats had controlled the blackberries, briars and thistles. By 1994 the groundcover of St John’s wort had been
reduced from 90% dense wort at the start to 20% dense wort, 50% scattered and 30% nil.
The stocking rate had been increased from 2.5 DSE/ha before1979 to 8.2 DSE/ha in 1994.
Despite exposure to wort, animals with white skin introduced over the last 10 years have suffered surprisingly little
photosensitisation. It is possible that continual exposure to low levels of hypericin has resulted in animals developing
resistance to the effects."
Also, in that earlier study I linked to aaaaages ago (lol) it did actually mention that the effects of some compounds in SJW are activated by sunlight, not damaged or deactivated by it.
TridentK9 and I discussed that a while back and both had the wrong idea there it seems. I re-read the study recently, and it really does put in a new light the photosensitivity reaction. Anyway, point being, sunlight exposure makes SJW stronger and more effective, not weaker or ineffective.
Best wishes.
On the topic of SJW, I found some recent information for goats and other ruminants regarding reactions to SJW.
Source: http://www.mla.com.au/CustomControl...WgU7vSJIm2Y5IZA2bygFt3EYMKKAfsht7d1Tnt3BqiA==
Case study – St John’s wort:
"Grazing began on Richard Arnott’s Birnham Wood, Coolah, in 1979. The paddock was heavily infested hill country that had
been aerially top-dressed with subterranean clover and fertiliser.
Initially the stocking rate used was 8.2 DSE*/ha, comprising 4 DSE/ha goats and 4.2 DSE/ha cattle. After two years the rate
of goats was progressively reduced and that of cattle increased. The rate in 1994 was 2.2 DSE/ha goats and 6 DSE/ha cattle.
By 1986 the goats had controlled the blackberries, briars and thistles. By 1994 the groundcover of St John’s wort had been
reduced from 90% dense wort at the start to 20% dense wort, 50% scattered and 30% nil.
The stocking rate had been increased from 2.5 DSE/ha before1979 to 8.2 DSE/ha in 1994.
Despite exposure to wort, animals with white skin introduced over the last 10 years have suffered surprisingly little
photosensitisation. It is possible that continual exposure to low levels of hypericin has resulted in animals developing
resistance to the effects."
Also, in that earlier study I linked to aaaaages ago (lol) it did actually mention that the effects of some compounds in SJW are activated by sunlight, not damaged or deactivated by it.
TridentK9 and I discussed that a while back and both had the wrong idea there it seems. I re-read the study recently, and it really does put in a new light the photosensitivity reaction. Anyway, point being, sunlight exposure makes SJW stronger and more effective, not weaker or ineffective.
Best wishes.
I think I made a dumb mistake, I gave the flock fermented feed this morning, which we just give occasionally. Of course they love it. I gave some to Peanut too. But she got VERY sleepy on it...I'm guessing the fermentation had a big effect on her! I've never seen that happen before. and this afternoon she seems to be deteriorating slightly.
Strange. Maybe just give her soaked feed, not fermented feed, in future? Or even plain and dry. Of course it may just be correlation and something else impacted her. Sometimes it's a sign of them going downhill, unfortunately, getting 'sleepy' mid feed or soon after. Limited resources can make digesting and healing at the same time very hard on the body. The feed might not be the issue at all.
Best wishes.
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Yeah I don't think it was. She died yesterday evening.
We knew she was declining in the past day or so, and I took her off the Hypericum, and switched her to Curcumin yesterday, but I knew she probably wasn't going to make it. Just weird as she definitely had a growth issue, basically she just quit growing at all. Wasn't filling out the way she should, even if she was going to be a just a Bantam. As always, it's terrible when you can't save them.
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I'm sorry for your loss.Yeah I don't think it was. She died yesterday evening.We knew she was declining in the past day or so, and I took her off the Hypericum, and switched her to Curcumin yesterday, but I knew she probably wasn't going to make it. Just weird as she definitely had a growth issue, basically she just quit growing at all. Wasn't filling out the way she should, even if she was going to be a just a Bantam. As always, it's terrible when you can't save them.
Thank you.
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