Standard of Perfection

[checoukan]

Right now I have 265 eggs in my bator. I just looked, and my bator (GQF) is sitting at 100.0 degrees, and 62% humidity. My little digital meter is sitting on the top shelf next to the water tray.

 

[Robert Blosl]

http://books.google.com/books?id=cS...page&q="red sussex" subject:"poultry"&f=false

Boy here is one of my favorite books and look at the pictures of the feathers on Barred Rocks and other Breeds such as the Silver Penciled Breeds. There may be some good information on breeding the Colombian color pattern. Mark this page in your computer to read and learn by. Also, look at some of the early pictures of Rhode Island Reds and Wyandottes. You see how poor their type and overall appearance is. This is the early days of Heritage Poultry. We have made big strides in type in color. Now you can see why we don’t care much for some strains of large fowl as they have reverted back to the early type of birds that our forefathers had to work with. Excellent list of books you posted thank you.

http://books.google.com/books?id=61tMAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA8-PA45&dq=e+books+on+rhode+island+reds&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mVxST4rWMIjTtwfJv6GyDQ&ved=0CHYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=e%20books%20on%20rhode%20island%20reds&f=false

here is what the Forefathers of our breeds had to look at when they where trying to improve our Heritage Breeds years ago. bob


look at the long legs on this german red bantams
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v11/katz0556/?action=view&current=photo_fowl_2006_5.jpg

 

[Robert Blosl]

We talked about the standard has anyone seen pictures of whats in it on this site?

Look.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/400344/heritage-large-fowl-thread/4590#post_8558148


go to page 460

bob

 

[cowchick11]

I hope Mr. Miller is still around, on-line. I have questions regarding genetics and level of inheritance and dominant traits. Please come back!

 

[galanie]

Same. I miss his posts.

 

[thedragonlady]

Walt,

I had no idea that Wilbur Stauffer had passed away. Doris did not let me know. I did know from Johnny Batson that he had had a stroke.He was a marvelous person, and a wonderful teacher to me. He and Doris really knew birds. Wilbur in his very white T-shirt and khakis, and his pink cheeks, always managed to look spotless at the end of the day.Always smiling, and ready to help a novice.They would let me have a few birds at the Tenn. Valley Fair, in Knoxville as it was the end of his show season. Then he sent me to Herb Holtz for some more SL Wyandottes after he thought I knew enough to breed them properly.

I don't think that anyone today can imagine loading up 1200 birds for a long haul to hopefully win prize $ at fairs. Though Wilbur farmed, this was a chunk of his income as you know. Any birds you bought at the end of the season needed to growv a new suit of feathers, but were darned good birds.

As my father said," The problem with getting older is that so many friends are no longer there."

 

[fowlman01]

Walt,

I had no idea that Wilbur Stauffer had passed away. Doris did not let me know. I did know from Johnny Batson that he had had a stroke.He was a marvelous person, and a wonderful teacher to me. He and Doris really knew birds. Wilbur in his very white T-shirt and khakis, and his pink cheeks, always managed to look spotless at the end of the day.Always smiling, and ready to help a novice.They would let me have a few birds at the Tenn. Valley Fair, in Knoxville as it was the end of his show season. Then he sent me to Herb Holtz for some more SL Wyandottes after he thought I knew enough to breed them properly.

I don't think that anyone today can imagine loading up 1200 birds for a long haul to hopefully win prize $ at fairs. Though Wilbur farmed, this was a chunk of his income as you know. Any birds you bought at the end of the season needed to growv a new suit of feathers, but were darned good birds.

As my father said," The problem with getting older is that so many friends are no longer there."

He was a very special man. My wife and a friend of hers spent a whole week with the Stauffers several years back when I was showing at Columbus, so they were very sad to hear of his passing. Many of us were. Most people could not begin to think about showing that many birds, year after year.

Walt

 

[3riverschick]

Hi,
I need some help. Walt, Mr. Miller or anyone in the know with references. Maybe can direct me to some lit I can study?
The question was posed to me "Does the length of the back effect the angle of the wing set as it differs from the horizontal
plane?". I started looking into it but can't find the right keywords to research it. Then I ran across some info which suggested
the angle of the tailset might also be a factor. So I came here to ask:
Have you ever run across a set of ratios which explain the effect of angle of one part of poultry structure upon other parts?
---For illustration,... not something I ever read anywhere: Something like a back incline of 10 degrees will show a wing set angle of 25
degrees from the horizontal. A tail elevation of 45 degrees will be seen with a wing set of 35 degrees as opposed to a tail set of 35
degrees which will be seen with a wing set angle of 10 degrees from the horizontal plane. These statements are for illustrations only,
not truths I have found. I am seeking to find ones like them but don't know what keywords to use to search for them.
Thanks for any help!
I am particularly interested in the ratios used to set proper wing set angle on Sussex fowl
Karen in PA, USA.

 

[fowlman01]

Hi,
I need some help. Walt, Mr. Miller or anyone in the know with references. Maybe can direct me to some lit I can study?
The question was posed to me "Does the length of the back effect the angle of the wing set as it differs from the horizontal
plane?". I started looking into it but can't find the right keywords to research it. Then I ran across some info which suggested
the angle of the tailset might also be a factor. So I came here to ask:
Have you ever run across a set of ratios which explain the effect of angle of one part of poultry structure upon other parts?
---For illustration,... not something I ever read anywhere: Something like a back incline of 10 degrees will show a wing set angle of 25
degrees from the horizontal. A tail elevation of 45 degrees will be seen with a wing set of 35 degrees as opposed to a tail set of 35
degrees which will be seen with a wing set angle of 10 degrees from the horizontal plane. These statements are for illustrations only,
not truths I have found. I am seeking to find ones like them but don't know what keywords to use to search for them.
Thanks for any help!
I am particularly interested in the ratios used to set proper wing set angle on Sussex fowl
Karen in PA, USA.

Hi Karen,

As I said in the Sussex thread I don't believe the length of back has anything to do with the wing set on any breed. Poor wing carriage always seems to be associated with bad breeding....not lack of exercise or that the moon was full when it hatched or the incubator or any of the excuses people who call themselves "breeders" want to use as an excuse so they can continue to sell their culls.

You can't pull pics of the web and think that is the way that particular breed should look ....as an example that Langshan in the other thread. That is pretty much a cull bird. Langshans have short backs, but their wings should be horizontal. Just about all breeds of chickens should have horizontal wings. Some of the birds that only come in bantam form (Sebrights etc) call for more vertical wings and they also have short backs. I just don't think there is a connection between wing setting and length of back. I fight wing setting in my Leghorns and they have a pretty long back. Wing setting is generally only a male fault, so that should give you another angle to find out why this happens.

Walt

I don't know of any ratio chart.

 

[3riverschick]

Hi Walt,
Thanks so much for taking time to reply and educate!

Best Regards,
Karen