strange behavior

[aart]

I think with this one it is used that way

Well, that is mighty 'strange behavior'. SMH.

 

[chicknmania]

Antibiotics do not work 'preventatively'.

Supposedly if one has had MG/ MS in the flock, if you give Denagard for five days even every couple of months, it will help to prevent further episodes. Many people use it. Think what you want, i guess, but it does seem to work. We have not had MG in our flock for over twelve years. From research, it does not appear that resistance issues are likely to develop with Denagard regular use. I just said that I use it because I don't think my bird has MG. He has no sinus drainage, no sneezing, no eye swelling, no bad breath.

 

[aart]

I just said that I use it because I don't think my bird has MG. He has no sinus drainage, no sneezing, no eye swelling, no bad breath.

Have you had them tested via cultured swabbing?
No symptoms doesn't mean no disease.

 

[KsKingBee]

I prefer the injectible but for really tough situations where the antibiotic is called for over a longer period of time, I would give it in the water.

 

[chicknmania]

Have you had them tested via cultured swabbing?
No symptoms doesn't mean no disease.

Nope. And I dont intend to.

 

[chicknmania]

Today he was off his feed and his facial sinuses were very swollen. He had an appointment with the vet anyway, so I rushed him over there. There was no abscess in his face, just swollen soft tissue, and the inside of his mouth was also swollen. I was thinking we would probably have to euthanize him. However the vet decided to try one more week. She chose Baytril over Tylan, he had an injection of Baytril/ Meloxicam, and some Baytril and Meloxicam to give him orally over the next week. I thought he had gained a little weight, but He has not gained one ounce of weight, but he has not lost any more either, his weight is exactly the same as it was two weeks ago. The vet does not think it is cancer or a respiratory disease but, of course, is not sure. There's no real explanation for why he has lost weight and has been unable to gain any back, or for the mouth lesions, although I also read that they can be caused by stress and of course by a compromised immunse system. In any case, his mouth lesions are improved a lot and so she has not addressed those further. She also flushed his sinuses with saline, which we have done a few times at home as well.
I have since read that inflammation of eye sinuses in peafowl is pretty common, and is often caused by dusty conditions. Honestly, in our situation, there is little we can do to control dust. Our other three peafowl, as well as the rest of our flock, appear healthy. I also read that Tylan or Baytril are usually a pretty effective cure, so I am hoping that will be the case for him, because beyond that, I don't see any treatment options, and the vet bill is getting a bit much.
Just thought I'd update...it is a learning experience for me, so possibly for others also.

 

[KsKingBee]

You are dealing with a strange mix of symptoms but the swelling of the sinus area is a sure sign of infection. Whether it is just allergies caused by dust or something else more insidious can only be determined with lab work which could also tell you whether it is a gram-positive or negative sensitive bacteria. Baytril is usually the 'big gun' that is used when the lesser AB's are ineffective. I would continue with the prescribed treatment but if there is no change at the end of the cycle I would ask the vet (without seeing her) for a preloaded syringe (or two) of 0.60 ml of Zactran. My vets' choice of Zactran is an AB that is good for five days, that amount is appropriate for a mature peahen, your cocks weight may be down to that of a hen. Give the shot SQ, or just under the skin.

 

[chicknmania]

You are dealing with a strange mix of symptoms but the swelling of the sinus area is a sure sign of infection. Whether it is just allergies caused by dust or something else more insidious can only be determined with lab work which could also tell you whether it is a gram-positive or negative sensitive bacteria. Baytril is usually the 'big gun' that is used when the lesser AB's are ineffective. I would continue with the prescribed treatment but if there is no change at the end of the cycle I would ask the vet (without seeing her) for a preloaded syringe (or two) of 0.60 ml of Zactran. My vets' choice of Zactran is an AB that is good for five days, that amount is appropriate for a mature peahen, your cocks weight may be down to that of a hen. Give the shot SQ, or just under the skin.

Thank you, and OK, I will do that, I seriously cannot afford , or justify, all the testing, which is why she is trying to avoid that, because even without a lot of testing (and she's done some) I think the bill is astronomical after just two visits. He is such a sweet natured and smart bird and we are very fond of him, since we've had him for so long, but I do have to be practical, and my gut is telling me that yes, there's probably some underlying issue, as we said in the very beginning, and probably something difficult if not impossible to fix. Yes the Baytril is definitely a big gun, it's 68 mg (compared to the 22.5 mg I have here at home) to be administered once a day. I may try to get the Zactran (if needed) from my four leg vet, who is a lot more reasonable and would probably let me have some. Sapphire is down to 6.9 pounds, so...

 

[casportpony]

Sapphire is down to 6.9 pounds, so...

That's not good, that's only 3.1 kg. I hope you can get him feeling better.

 

[casportpony]

In the future, you might want to consider giving larger doses of Baytril.

The once a day dose is ~10 mg per pound.
The twice a day dose is ~ 5 mg per pound.