but I have been showing sumatras for 8 years now I am only 18 years old.
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You can get the black face in all birds. My Black Sumatra's are indoors 100% of the time and I just do not tolerate a red face whatsoever. I have gotten to the point that, even when raised indoors, the males I have in my breeding pens are all completely black faced. So, just breed and cull hard and you can get there in any of the birds.