Sumatra Thread!

[ramirezframing]

Boy Gallo, I love how his colors contrast so much. Sorry about your hens. Do your projects have the mulitiple spurs?


I love projects, you never know what you will get or learn along the way.

 

[championsumatra]

Quote: If you read the description instead of going by the pic you will see what I am talking about ones agian. A bird with a un full tail is not going to do as well as a bird that dose have a full tail it corrcet confomation and you can ask any of the top breeders that have actually earned the title grand master exhibitor, grand master breeder, and is well known around the country for champion lines.

I was looking on the American Sumatra Association on the showbirdbid site and what they where talking about is how important it is to keep the large fowl sumatra's big and the bantams small because a lot of birds they are seeing in the show room are under weight in the large fowl and the bantams where to big. so it is either you are going to small or you are trying to make me look bad in front of every single person who reads this thread.

 

[gallo4319]

Boy Gallo, I love how his colors contrast so much. Sorry about your hens. Do your projects have the mulitiple spurs? I love projects, you never know what you will get or learn along the way.

Not all them I still don't know what exactly I'm gonna breed for I want a chicken with a vulture appearance .
Dark meat,naked neck, lobster tail .
Some of my orientals have hennei feather maybe I add all that .
Another crazy idea of mines.

 

[ramirezframing]

If you read the description instead of going by the pic you will see what I am talking about ones agian. A bird with a un full tail is not going to do as well as a bird that dose have a full tail it corrcet confomation and you can ask any of the top breeders that have actually earned the title grand master exhibitor, grand master breeder, and is well known around the country for champion lines.

I was looking on the American Sumatra Association on the showbirdbid site and what they where talking about is how important it is to keep the large fowl sumatra's big and the bantams small because a lot of birds they are seeing in the show room are under weight in the large fowl and the bantams where to big. so it is either you are going to small or you are trying to make me look bad in front of every single person who reads this thread.

Why is it that you think everyone is talking about you unless they quote someone else's post? This isn't the first time you have gone after someone else, getting mad at them for saying something that you don't like, when they did not quote you or even say your name.

If anyone is showing a bird they should/need to breed to that breed's SOP to the T! Not just the parts they want or like. You say this all the time.

YOU were the one that stated how big your birds were a few pages back, none of us were even talking about you. Than once everyone said that you were breeding birds that were too big for the SOP, since it clearly says 4 for hens and 5 for cocks and you had said your birds were 7 for cocks and one was even 8, you started going after everyone and saying that WE were ruining your breeding reputation.

I have to ask you how WE ruined it? WE didn't state how big your birds were, YOU did. Than you said that you didn't know how big they were since you don't have a scale, trying to save your reputation. I don't believe you, since you came on here and were able to post exact weights of them and you tried to force a point that they were of correct weight since they had won something.

Didn't you just yesterday say how one should not go by what is written on the internet, but in the SOP.

So if all the show sumatras are bred to the SOP's weight of 4 for hens and 5 for cocks, than when talking about a small/big bird, one would mean size of body/ height.

I would guess that the top sumatra breeders took in all the information on this breed when they were young and just starting out with this breed. Not from just one person or one place, but where ever they could. Alot of times this means sitting back listening to someone else do the talking, even if you might not agree 100% with what is said.

I do hope that you figure out one day that not everyone is talking to/or about you, and that we may in fact might be trying to HELP you so that you can improve the breed along your journey. That is what this thread is about, after all. Learning to improve the birds we have and sharing our love for them.

 

[ramirezframing]

Not all them I still don't know what exactly I'm gonna breed for I want a chicken with a vulture appearance .
Dark meat,naked neck, lobster tail .
Some of my orientals have hennei feather maybe I add old that .
Another crazy idea of mines.

Well going for the showgirl cross like you are will give the necked neck and black skin. And using the first black rooster (the one with the oriental game look) should help out with the tail.

What orientals are henny feathered? I know sebrights are, but that's all the henny feathered breeds I know of and I don't really know much on the oriental games, except that most look like they could drop kick someone.

 

[troyer]

Why is it that you think everyone is talking about you unless they quote someone else's post? This isn't the first time you have gone after someone else, getting mad at them for saying something that you don't like, when they did not quote you or even say your name.

If anyone is showing a bird they should/need to breed to that breed's SOP to the T! Not just the parts they want or like. You say this all the time.

YOU were the one that stated how big your birds were a few pages back, none of us were even talking about you. Than once everyone said that you were breeding birds that were too big for the SOP, since it clearly says 4 for hens and 5 for cocks and you had said your birds were 7 for cocks and one was even 8, you started going after everyone and saying that WE were ruining your breeding reputation.

I have to ask you how WE ruined it? WE didn't state how big your birds were, YOU did. Than you said that you didn't know how big they were since you don't have a scale, trying to save your reputation. I don't believe you, since you came on here and were able to post exact weights of them and you tried to force a point that they were of correct weight since they had won something.

Didn't you just yesterday say how one should not go by what is written on the internet, but in the SOP.

So if all the show sumatras are bred to the SOP's weight of 4 for hens and 5 for cocks, than when talking about a small/big bird, one would mean size of body/ height.

I would guess that the top sumatra breeders took in all the information on this breed when they were young and just starting out with this breed. Not from just one person or one place, but where ever they could. Alot of times this means sitting back listening to someone else do the talking, even if you might not agree 100% with what is said.

I do hope that you figure out one day that not everyone is talking to/or about you, and that we may in fact might be trying to HELP you so that you can improve the breed along your journey. That is what this thread is about, after all. Learning to improve the birds we have and sharing our love for them.

That is nicely said. Keep it up.

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

I seen an inspirational quote on FB and thought
I would share it. This IS NOT aimed at anyone here.

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

I lost two hens I brought from that project i only have one surviver a molted rooster
A friend from San Antonio kept most of my crosses but I'm not gonna be able to have some of those until I take a road trip or I get some eggs shipped from him he is gonna. Be bred back to oriental hens and some of these cuties

that is an interesting project you are working on gallo.
I would love to see what you come up with on it and
love the NN added in.......quite the thought Sumatra NN
or Sumatra vultures

and that paint roo is nice

 

[Infnityhrt]

I was looking on the American Sumatra Association on the showbirdbid site and what they where talking about is how important it is to keep the large fowl sumatra's big and the bantams small because a lot of birds they are seeing in the show room are under weight in the large fowl and the bantams where to big. so it is either you are going to small or you are trying to make me look bad in front of every single person who reads this thread.

Well I guess we will have to ask dakers on showbirdbid site to define as "large as possible" I interpret it to mean as large as possible without going over the max weight of the Standard which is 6 pounds for the cock and 4.8 for the hen, but maybe I am wrong and he is just saying to breed them as big as you want.
All I was saying since you had posted pheasant like wasn't in the standard, I was just also saying that neither is well spread tail, and that it states the size that they should be., not really about you, Its about what the standard says, I don't say how you breed your birds, I state how I breed mine, not about you. YOU are the one that post about YOUR birds, so quit thinking I am trying to ruin your reputation. we have different interpretations and everyone has different opinions on breeding what they want, Its ok for that to happen don't take it so personal, just because my opinion doesn't agree with yours, not everyone will agree you or me.

 

[championsumatra]

this is exactly my point. this is what he says in showbirdbid I think it is clear on what he was talking about. this point dose have to do with me but it is really has to do with correcting untrue info.

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