Sumatra Thread!

[redman34]

Here in the Pacific Northwest there have not been a great many sumatras shown. Judges have there own views and since I know the judge and he might have missed it that day. There are a couple breeders of large in Vancouver area that have some decent LF.

 

[jeremy]

I'm trying to stomach a hard truth after uploading these pictures... my Platinum Sumatra isn't a pullet... she's a he...

Right?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

nope ,
Those saddle feathers do scream cockerel.
But hey, whats wrong with that.
Cockerels are better to use in color work in my opinion anyway. You can now spread the gene to any girl you want and have multiple projects or at least hens laying with his genes. Where with a pullet, you are just going to get one set of eggs. Will give you more options to work with if you want to continue work with the color.

Glad to see the yellow foot pads on it too by the way

 

[jeremy]

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Nothing is wrong really, other than I won't be able to keep him at my place here in the city once he starts crowing. Which means I'll have to try and "strong arm" a friend of mine into keeping him at his place where he can have roos.

So now I just need to get him a harem of Black Sumatra hens? The way I understand it he'll throw Platinum, Blue, Dun and Black offspring...

Next year is going to be a fun hatching season if everything works out!

ETA: Just saw your comment, he should have yellow bottoms of his feet right?

 

[stonykill]

well it's hard to tell from that photo, but is platinum just a really light blue? Look at this pic below, and see the young hen in the back, behind her blue mama. Is she a platinum?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yes sumatras should have yellow bottoms to their feet.

stony, I was kinda concerned with the adult color too. Platinum in adult birds looks sort of like khaki. This one definately isnt blue though. The head shots show all the chocolate color to it. Believe it is still platinum, especially form the chick pics .

yes , you can get all 4 colors out of them, but depends on what the hens are too that it's bred to

 

[stonykill]

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I'm not sure what you mean by concerned with the adult color. I let me Sumatra's breed as they wish. With whichever Sumatra roo they pic. And there are a lot more than 4 colors if you let this happen. Just because a group of guys years ago said" these are the colors we say are the right colors", doesn't mean that there are only 4 colors in nature with Sumatra's.

Were you refering to my pic at all? Or the platinum chick/roo pics from someone else? I've always called the light blue ones blues. But maybe they aren't.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

believe we were talking about Jeremy's pic not looking like an adult platinum bird should were'nt we?

quoted from your post
"well it's hard to tell from that photo, but is platinum just a really light blue?"

my reply
"I was kinda concerned with the adult color too. Platinum in adult birds looks sort of like khaki. This one definately isnt blue though. The head shots show all the chocolate color to it. Believe it is still platinum, especially form the chick pics ."

By that, I meant, no Platinum is in now way a blue color. It is the mix of blue and dun, and looks similar to the creamy khaki versions .


The 4 colors post
is back at Jeremy. not you
If you'll look he asked about black, blue, platinum, and dun being produced from a platinum roo..

I'm very well aware of how colors work, I'm responsible for quite a lot of new ones myself.
sumatras come in black , blue, splash, white, dun, khaki, and platinum. In NATURE though, they are ONLY black. We as breeders did all these other colors to them threw years of outcrosses.
I'm sure there are others in the works as well, but they havent surfaced as of yet.

Yours look to be all black and various shades of blue. If you dont have dun birds in your flock, this will be all you can get, black, blue, and splash

 

[Sumatra503]

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I'm not sure what you mean by concerned with the adult color. I let me Sumatra's breed as they wish. With whichever Sumatra roo they pic. And there are a lot more than 4 colors if you let this happen. Just because a group of guys years ago said" these are the colors we say are the right colors", doesn't mean that there are only 4 colors in nature with Sumatra's.

Were you refering to my pic at all? Or the platinum chick/roo pics from someone else? I've always called the light blue ones blues. But maybe they aren't.

There are more than 4 colors out there in the Sumatra world. Some of the colors, particularly white/white splash tend to show characteristics that aren't true to the breed, such as having yellow legs instead of blue legs.

According to those who have studied the genetics of the birds there is no way to get a white without crossing in a breed that has white as the color, generally white pheonix are crossed into Sumatra to get white birds.

The colors you mention are the "True" Sumatra colors that occur in birds that have no other breed or genetic line crossed into them or so they say. According to some it is impossible to get a lighter colored bird such as white from this breed.

Out of curiosity what are these other colors that are occurring in your flock?

Edited to fix my bad spelling.

 

[stonykill]

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Thanks. I got confused with your responce right after mine.