Sunflower Chickens

[OzawkieBantams]

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I agree sodium level are way too high . I have been keeping up with the quail side that has these very same issues.

 

[OzawkieBantams]

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Suzie,
which is still as most call a heart attack

My Cardiologist still refers too both of my a- fib episodes as a heart attack

 

[OzawkieBantams]

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Suzie,
which is still as most call a heart attack

My Cardiologist still refers too both of my a- fib episodes as a heart attack

Hell who knows he is most likly wrong cause he wants more money ....

 

[KansasBoy]

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Now you've lost me...? How is it again that I could coin a phrase that you first mentioned? (unless I'm not seeing something my iPhone autocorrected on it's own)


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Suzie,
which is still as most call a heart attack

My Cardiologist still refers too both of my a- fib episodes as a heart attack

Hell who knows he is most likly wrong cause he wants more money ....

My great grandfather used to raise hundreds of birds at a time, and he always referred to what I've seen here being called "flip" as heart attacks! He would jokingly make reference to their high cholesterol levels

 

[Myabcs3]

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[mikeksfarmer]

I am just going to bet that in the end Osama Bin Lauden's heart went into aerial fibulation. So did he die of a heart attack? Now that said, Renee you provided great information. I had no doubt that you could. Thank you from those of us who did want to know. In no way does that say it was a heart attack. But it did point to some important clues. As I lay in bed last night wondering if I started another turf war, I thought about my poultry science courses at K-State and my experience raising Broilers. How about this for an option? Anemic! Organs can’t keep up, blood is an organ. Where is blood made? The organs that cant keep up. I also agree if you raise the birds a little slower, you should see less flip over. At K-State and in broiler operations I have seen birds that looked anemic. The elemental listing by the report suggests its blood related. The observations also suggest its blood related. Organs of the body shut down because they are not getting enough oxygen. In the last seconds when Osama bled to death I am sure his heart fibulated. Chickens dieing because they don’t have enough blood to keep their rapidly growing bodies and organs functioning will have fibulations in their hearts. True science is based on these and other discussions. These lead to suggestions that can be tested. In time we all grow. I am wondering if we found a way to enhance the proteins, vitamins and elements needed for making blood we could reduce the flip over.

 

[ChooksChick]

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Excellent point- I also wonder whether there is correlation with blood pressure- In a body growing that rapidly, and with the mention of the possible metabolic connection I wonder whether it becomes an issue of not enough or too much pressure in the vascular system. Fibrillation is also a product of the sympathetic pumping the vascular system supports the heart's pumping with, and lack/excess pressure can shut the timing off or render the pump impotent.

This would be a 'heart attack' in layman terms, but once specifics are discovered, can be dealt with by addressing the issue. I'm going to look at a few sites and see if there are some other takes on this flipping disease...

It is well known that slower growth makes a difference and lessens the liklihood, and it would also allow the vascular structure time to catch up...when I was expecting kid #1, I gained 70# in short order...and my blood pressure went DOWN to 80/40. I was passing out all over the place, and regularly had 'beached whale' calls on the aisle I keeled over in at the store. I could see a rapid-growth hormonally-induced metabolic failure causing something similar in these obese CornishX birds.

 

[KansasBoy]

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In many species on our great planet rapid growth rates cause other issues such as epilepsy, cardio vascular disorders, etc. Anemia sounds very plausible, would a special "meat bird formula" with extra iron and B12 actually help to prevent such attacks by increasing blood production! It would ave to be better than raising birds like KFC?!?!

Raising them slower seems rational... But could you push a meat bird to 28 weeks on 16% (or even 24 on 18%)?!?!

 

[schellie69]

First let me say I have never raised a meat chicken, but I have read a lot on the subject I think the key to raising these Cornish crosses so that these health issues are not so much a issues is the free ranging, letting them scratch for their food. I have read about people who move them in tractors and have them free range and give food only during certain times. and some throw the food on the ground which makes the chickens work for their food. I am wondering if this might be part of the answer to having the meat birds live a little longer but grow slower. Does this seem right to any one else or am I completely wrong.

 

[mikeksfarmer]

By the way I think it was you (Kansas Boy) who said in a past post in some way "Be! Dude!” Throw in a few exclamations and enunciate it with attitude and it could be submitted as a new cool phrase.

And I think you are on the correct path with slow growth and proper nutrition. I can’t believe that some big conglomerate have not looked into it as of yet. It may be just living with the numbers being cost effective.

Renee it’s good you’re holding your ground. You have often impressed me with your wisdom. I would still argue that a heart attack is dysfunction of the heart muscle, and not the final quiverings caused by the expiration of the animal. And still I have to give you credit for the theory that blood pressure would be involved. Its times like this I would love to collect information, and as a team create a proposal for research. Then submit this for grant money. We could eat free chicken at the end. What is the blood pressure of a chicken? What "flip over" can be prevented by correcting for blood inadequacies or lack of it?