Oh. And I was all excited by a 2mm rain forecast for WednesdayI proudly told my partner who was working it rained 10 mm and he said that was nothing. Sure, not much, but in fifteen minutes it seemed like a lot. It should rain again tonight.
Théo and the chickens des Sauches
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In the Netherlands 2 mm rainfall is the average rainfall (over the year). 10 mm in one shower is a very nice rainOh. And I was all excited by a 2mm rain forecast for Wednesday
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Well, we didn't get more rain tonight, and just an on and off slight drizzle today.
The bigger chickens don't want anything to do with the rain. I think they have forgotten what it is ? They stayed sheltered in the run a big part of the afternoon. The smaller and younger chickens tend to mind less getting wet.
Yesterday Nieva’s foot was bleeding again when we took the bandage off, and I think it's because the gauze stays sticking to the wound. If it does it again next time i’m going back to corn dressing. It still doesn't look nice, maybe slightly less swollen. This evening we have a birthday dinner for my partner so we tended to Alba's foot during the day, it's still possible though difficult to catch her, and she is looking a bit better still, but I’ve said that before and it got worse again.
I found a baby louse on Lilly. I’m always worried for the black chickens because i’m not sure I will see if they have parasites, they are hard to spot. I treated her with the surfactant spray and she hated it. She’s usually the sweetest hen but she has been avoiding me all day.
I’ve received the DT. I’m a bit confused on dosage because the information given per chicken, 2g daily per head, doesn't correspond to 10% of the feed. It’s the same with the essential oils, since it's all very experimental, there is no (or I could not find ) reliable information on "safe" dosage. So i’ll be conservative and go with the minimum amounts, for a month. For the essential oils i’m using linalool chemotype thyme, peppermint, oregano, and turmeric, in wheat germ carrier oil (I couldn't find hemp seed oil which is my preferred choice). I won't detail dosage, but I will do as I always do, alternate so as not to use oregano more than two days in a row because it's effect is too strong.
Pied Beau says Cocorico
Yep, we are going to sit in the same tiny nest, what's the problem ?
A bit of chest bumping. I still wonder about Laure as she has such huge red wattles and crest and big feet, but her feathers don't look roosterish. I’ll be relieved when /if she starts laying.
The bigger chickens don't want anything to do with the rain
. I think they have forgotten what it is ? They stayed sheltered in the run a big part of the afternoon. The smaller and younger chickens tend to mind less getting wet.Yesterday Nieva’s foot was bleeding again when we took the bandage off, and I think it's because the gauze stays sticking to the wound. If it does it again next time i’m going back to corn dressing. It still doesn't look nice, maybe slightly less swollen. This evening we have a birthday dinner for my partner so we tended to Alba's foot during the day, it's still possible though difficult to catch her, and she is looking a bit better still, but I’ve said that before and it got worse again.
I found a baby louse on Lilly. I’m always worried for the black chickens because i’m not sure I will see if they have parasites, they are hard to spot. I treated her with the surfactant spray and she hated it. She’s usually the sweetest hen but she has been avoiding me all day.
I’ve received the DT. I’m a bit confused on dosage because the information given per chicken, 2g daily per head, doesn't correspond to 10% of the feed. It’s the same with the essential oils, since it's all very experimental, there is no (or I could not find ) reliable information on "safe" dosage. So i’ll be conservative and go with the minimum amounts, for a month. For the essential oils i’m using linalool chemotype thyme, peppermint, oregano, and turmeric, in wheat germ carrier oil (I couldn't find hemp seed oil which is my preferred choice). I won't detail dosage, but I will do as I always do, alternate so as not to use oregano more than two days in a row because it's effect is too strong.
Pied Beau says Cocorico
Yep, we are going to sit in the same tiny nest, what's the problem ?
A bit of chest bumping. I still wonder about Laure as she has such huge red wattles and crest and big feet, but her feathers don't look roosterish. I’ll be relieved when /if she starts laying.
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The kind of wound Nieva has would benefit from what is called a colloidal dressing.Well, we didn't get more rain tonight, and just an on and off slight drizzle today.
The bigger chickens don't want anything to do with the rain
Yesterday Nieva’s foot was bleeding again when we took the bandage off, and I think it's because the gauze stays sticking to the wound. If it does it again next time i’m going back to corn dressing. It still doesn't look nice, maybe slightly less swollen. This evening we have a birthday dinner for my partner so we tended to Alba's foot during the day, it's still possible though difficult to catch her, and she is looking a bit better still, but I’ve said that before and it got worse again.
I found a baby louse on Lilly. I’m always worried for the black chickens because i’m not sure I will see if they have parasites, they are hard to spot. I treated her with the surfactant spray and she hated it. She’s usually the sweetest hen but she has been avoiding me all day.
I’ve received the DT. I’m a bit confused on dosage because the information given per chicken, 2g daily per head, doesn't correspond to 10% of the feed. It’s the same with the essential oils, since it's all very experimental, there is no (or I could not find ) reliable information on "safe" dosage. So i’ll be conservative and go with the minimum amounts, for a month. For the essential oils i’m using linalool chemotype thyme, peppermint, oregano, and turmeric, in wheat germ carrier oil (I couldn't find hemp seed oil which is my preferred choice). I won't detail dosage, but I will do as I always do, alternate so as not to use oregano more than two days in a row because it's effect is too strong.
Pied Beau says Cocorico
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A bit of chest bumping. I still wonder about Laure as she has such huge red wattles and crest and big feet, but her feathers don't look roosterish. I’ll be relieved when /if she starts laying.
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You should be able to buy one for people in a pharmacy and cut a tiny piece off to fit a chicken foot.
I am pretty sure you can get them without prescription in Europe because I remember needing one for myself and a friend got one for me. They are not cheap. I don’t think we were in France but it is a while ago.
I will see if I can find the packet.
A colloid dressing keeps the wound moist and you leave it in for several days without disturbing the wound.
Here is one example.
https://genia.fr/en/804-pansement-hydrocolloide-a-l-alginate
Look for a company called coloplast- I think they are Danish - they led the field in this kind of dressing.
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I have some cheap ones for blister, but i’m not sure if they are exactly the same thing. There is no description of the composition of the hydrocolloid gel.
Otherwise it would have to wait until next Friday- unless I can find some to order online.
OK. I was remembering wrong
It is Convatec the name of the company (not Coloplast).
Duoderm was the product I got.
https://www.ubuy.fr/en/product/2MWW...e-square-hydrocolloid-dressing-4-x-4-20-count
I think Duoderm brand was not available but the pharmacist gave my friend a substitute hydrocolloid dressing. And I think we may have been in Paris!
I would use that.
Is that the same product as ‘second skin’ ? You can shower and do all kind of things with them.
I used it several times with problematical wounds for my children when they were young.
info from Dutch site:
WHAT IS A HYDROCOLLOID BANDAGE ? Visit the link for pictures.
https://www.huidziekten.nl/folders/nederlands/duoderm-hydrocolloidverband.htm
A hydrocoloid bandage is a self-adhesive bandage of several millimeters thickness, usually light brown in color, that can be glued to a wound and then stay for several days. It is also called second skin. Hydrocolloid bandages consist of 2 layers: the top layer is a sealing plastic film (polyurethane film), the bottom layer is the hydrocolloid. The hydrocolloid material is a mixture of adhesives such as polyisobutylene and pectin, gelling (to a gel-fluidating) substances such as gelatin and absorbent particles such as carboxymethylcellulose. Polyisobutylene is a sticky, rubbery substance. Carboxymethylcellulose is a highly absorbent substance made from vegetable fibers (wood pulp).
Example of a thick hydrocolloid
Hydrocolloid layer and foil
DuoDerm E hydrocolloid bandage Duoderm Extra Thin
The hydrocolloid layer absorbs the wound fluid and flows into a gel that makes contact with the wound floor. The amount of wound fluid that a hydrocolloidal bandage can absorb depends on the thickness of the hydrocolloid layer. There are thick hydrocoloid dressings such as DuoDERM E and there are thin ones such as DuoDERM Extrathin. If the bandage is full and is going to leak it must be replaced.
DuoDERM is a brand name. Duoderm from the Convatec firm was one of the first hydrocoloid bandages on the market. There are now many other brands from various suppliers. Some examples of hydrocolloid dressings include Duoderm, Duoderm E, Duderm ExtraThin, Duoderm Signal, Comfeel Plus, Combiderm, Askina Hydro, Kliniderm Hydro, Nu-derm hydrocolloid dressing, Suprasorb H, and Tegaderm hydrocolloid dressings. For more information on the different hydrocoloid dressings (variants, brands, sizes, order numbers and prices): see the product overview.
HOW DOES A HYDROCOLLOID BANDAGE WORK?
A hydrocolloid bandage is glued over a wound and completely seals the wound from oxygen. The bottom layer of the bandage absorbs wound fluid and blends into a gel that makes good contact with the wound bottom. Hydrocolloid dressings are mainly effective because they create a moist wound climate. In a humid wound climate, the process of wound healing is faster than in a dry wound climate. In chronic wounds, there is often dead tissue in the wound and that must be cleaned up by the cells of the immune system (leukocytes and macrophages). These cells can perform their job better in a moist wound than in a dehydrated wound with a crust on it. The skin cells can also grow in a moist wound better and faster than in a dry wound. Often there is also less pain in wounds that are kept moist.
In addition, the hydrocoloid layer with the plastic top layer hermetically seals the wound from oxygen. Bacteria that need oxygen to survive (aerobic bacteria) die as a result. Bacteria that can survive without oxygen (anaerobic bacteria) remain. So a hydrocolloid bandage kills some of the bacteria.
Furthermore, there is a theory that the closure of a wound of oxygen stimulates the formation of new blood vessels. A difference in oxygen concentration is an incentive for blood vessels to start growing, and they are going to multiply towards the area where the oxygen concentration is lowest. Hydrocolloid dressings can stimulate the formation of new blood vessels. Red tissue enters the wound. This is also called granulation tissue. Granulating tissue fills the wound, and then the skin grows over it at the edges.
FOR WHICH WOUNDS CAN A HYDROCOLLOID BANDAGE BE USED?
Hydrocolloids can be used on very many different wounds and they can be applied in almost all stages of wound healing. They are used in the open leg (ulcus cruris venosum) and in bedsores (decubitus wounds) and in numerous other wounds. The thicker hydrocolloids can also be used to protect the skin from pressure. Skaters use them to protect the foot from blisters, cyclists use them to be able to cycle through with abrasions. Another application is the use of hydrocolloids on the intact skin around a wound, to protect it from the action of moisture or the adhesives of other patches.
With deep wounds with a lot of dead tissue and undermined wound edges (cavities and crevices in the depth) they are better not to be applied, because there is a danger that the wound fluid will not be able to get out.
ARE THERE ANY SIDE EFFECTS OF HYDROCOLLOID CONNECTIONS?
Skin irritation and allergy to the adhesive layer
Hydrocolloids with an adhesive layer can occasionally irritate the skin around them. Contact allergy to the adhesive layer also occurs.
Ewre of the skin around the wound
The top layer of the skin, the horny layer turns white due to the prolonged exposure to moisture. This is not very bad, the positive effect of the humid climate on the wound outweighs the slight damage from the action of moisture on the surrounding skin.
The wound seems to be getting bigger
The bandages soften the wound, dead tissue in the wound, crusts and the ing skin. Due to the soaking effect, a wound can appear a bit larger at the first dressing change than before. This is not really the case, the wound does not get bigger, in a dehydrated state the wound had contracted a little more.
A dirty smelly amount of pus comes out from underneath!
If a hydrocolloidal bandage is removed after a few days, it is often a bit of a shock to what comes from underneath. A smelly pus-like filth is released. However, this is not pus but a pus-like mix of the blended hydrocoloid material, wound fluid, and remains of dead tissue. It stinks because the anaerobic bacteria that survive under a closed hydrocolloidal bandage can spread a weeige, foul odor. It is good to know in advance that this happens and is part of it, otherwise you think the bandage makes the wound worse. Just rinse and/or remove the gunp by dabbing the wound a few times with a gauze soaked in physiological salt (NaCl 0.9%) or water and the wound looks beautiful again.
Wound infection
Infection with harmful bacteria can develop under a hydrocolloid bandage, but this is rare. If there are signs of infection (redness around the wound, swelling, heat, pain, fever) then an antibiotic should be started.
Too much granulation tissue (hypergranulation tissue)
Hydrocoloids can stimulate the formation of granulation tissue (the newly formed blood vessels), and that is also the purpose of the product, but sometimes it shoots too far. Too much granulation tissue (hypergranulation), which protruds above the wound edges, is also not good. The ingrown skin then has trouble getting over it. Too much granulation tissue, also called wild meat, can be touched with silver nitrate markers, or surgically removed.
https://www.huidziekten.nl/folders/nederlands/duoderm-hydrocolloidverband.htm
A hydrocoloid bandage is a self-adhesive bandage of several millimeters thickness, usually light brown in color, that can be glued to a wound and then stay for several days. It is also called second skin. Hydrocolloid bandages consist of 2 layers: the top layer is a sealing plastic film (polyurethane film), the bottom layer is the hydrocolloid. The hydrocolloid material is a mixture of adhesives such as polyisobutylene and pectin, gelling (to a gel-fluidating) substances such as gelatin and absorbent particles such as carboxymethylcellulose. Polyisobutylene is a sticky, rubbery substance. Carboxymethylcellulose is a highly absorbent substance made from vegetable fibers (wood pulp).
Example of a thick hydrocolloid
Hydrocolloid layer and foil
DuoDerm E hydrocolloid bandage Duoderm Extra Thin
The hydrocolloid layer absorbs the wound fluid and flows into a gel that makes contact with the wound floor. The amount of wound fluid that a hydrocolloidal bandage can absorb depends on the thickness of the hydrocolloid layer. There are thick hydrocoloid dressings such as DuoDERM E and there are thin ones such as DuoDERM Extrathin. If the bandage is full and is going to leak it must be replaced.
DuoDERM is a brand name. Duoderm from the Convatec firm was one of the first hydrocoloid bandages on the market. There are now many other brands from various suppliers. Some examples of hydrocolloid dressings include Duoderm, Duoderm E, Duderm ExtraThin, Duoderm Signal, Comfeel Plus, Combiderm, Askina Hydro, Kliniderm Hydro, Nu-derm hydrocolloid dressing, Suprasorb H, and Tegaderm hydrocolloid dressings. For more information on the different hydrocoloid dressings (variants, brands, sizes, order numbers and prices): see the product overview.
HOW DOES A HYDROCOLLOID BANDAGE WORK?
A hydrocolloid bandage is glued over a wound and completely seals the wound from oxygen. The bottom layer of the bandage absorbs wound fluid and blends into a gel that makes good contact with the wound bottom. Hydrocolloid dressings are mainly effective because they create a moist wound climate. In a humid wound climate, the process of wound healing is faster than in a dry wound climate. In chronic wounds, there is often dead tissue in the wound and that must be cleaned up by the cells of the immune system (leukocytes and macrophages). These cells can perform their job better in a moist wound than in a dehydrated wound with a crust on it. The skin cells can also grow in a moist wound better and faster than in a dry wound. Often there is also less pain in wounds that are kept moist.
In addition, the hydrocoloid layer with the plastic top layer hermetically seals the wound from oxygen. Bacteria that need oxygen to survive (aerobic bacteria) die as a result. Bacteria that can survive without oxygen (anaerobic bacteria) remain. So a hydrocolloid bandage kills some of the bacteria.
Furthermore, there is a theory that the closure of a wound of oxygen stimulates the formation of new blood vessels. A difference in oxygen concentration is an incentive for blood vessels to start growing, and they are going to multiply towards the area where the oxygen concentration is lowest. Hydrocolloid dressings can stimulate the formation of new blood vessels. Red tissue enters the wound. This is also called granulation tissue. Granulating tissue fills the wound, and then the skin grows over it at the edges.
FOR WHICH WOUNDS CAN A HYDROCOLLOID BANDAGE BE USED?
Hydrocolloids can be used on very many different wounds and they can be applied in almost all stages of wound healing. They are used in the open leg (ulcus cruris venosum) and in bedsores (decubitus wounds) and in numerous other wounds. The thicker hydrocolloids can also be used to protect the skin from pressure. Skaters use them to protect the foot from blisters, cyclists use them to be able to cycle through with abrasions. Another application is the use of hydrocolloids on the intact skin around a wound, to protect it from the action of moisture or the adhesives of other patches.
With deep wounds with a lot of dead tissue and undermined wound edges (cavities and crevices in the depth) they are better not to be applied, because there is a danger that the wound fluid will not be able to get out.
ARE THERE ANY SIDE EFFECTS OF HYDROCOLLOID CONNECTIONS?
Skin irritation and allergy to the adhesive layer
Hydrocolloids with an adhesive layer can occasionally irritate the skin around them. Contact allergy to the adhesive layer also occurs.
Ewre of the skin around the wound
The top layer of the skin, the horny layer turns white due to the prolonged exposure to moisture. This is not very bad, the positive effect of the humid climate on the wound outweighs the slight damage from the action of moisture on the surrounding skin.
The wound seems to be getting bigger
The bandages soften the wound, dead tissue in the wound, crusts and the ing skin. Due to the soaking effect, a wound can appear a bit larger at the first dressing change than before. This is not really the case, the wound does not get bigger, in a dehydrated state the wound had contracted a little more.
A dirty smelly amount of pus comes out from underneath!
If a hydrocolloidal bandage is removed after a few days, it is often a bit of a shock to what comes from underneath. A smelly pus-like filth is released. However, this is not pus but a pus-like mix of the blended hydrocoloid material, wound fluid, and remains of dead tissue. It stinks because the anaerobic bacteria that survive under a closed hydrocolloidal bandage can spread a weeige, foul odor. It is good to know in advance that this happens and is part of it, otherwise you think the bandage makes the wound worse. Just rinse and/or remove the gunp by dabbing the wound a few times with a gauze soaked in physiological salt (NaCl 0.9%) or water and the wound looks beautiful again.
Wound infection
Infection with harmful bacteria can develop under a hydrocolloid bandage, but this is rare. If there are signs of infection (redness around the wound, swelling, heat, pain, fever) then an antibiotic should be started.
Too much granulation tissue (hypergranulation tissue)
Hydrocoloids can stimulate the formation of granulation tissue (the newly formed blood vessels), and that is also the purpose of the product, but sometimes it shoots too far. Too much granulation tissue (hypergranulation), which protruds above the wound edges, is also not good. The ingrown skin then has trouble getting over it. Too much granulation tissue, also called wild meat, can be touched with silver nitrate markers, or surgically removed.
Yes - it even mentions Duoderm from Convatec.
In its day it was a revolutionary advance in wound care. Up until that point it was believed all wounds needed to be kept dry. They showed that these sterile moist dressings massively reduced healing time.
One big advantage for Manue's hen is that she won't be ripping dry, blood encrusted bandages off and tearing off fragile scar tissue.
Although with people you often don't even need to cover it - I think with a chicken in the dirt I probably would cover it with vet wrap.
Maybe its important that some air can pass through the membrane. Do ask the pharmacy if its possible to wrap it in for a good healing process.
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