The ‘I’ve Got The COVID Shot Club’!

[chicken3fly]

This is not true and you were misinformed, wherever you got that from. Whenever you see something like that, simply check with the source for example, in (this case, the FDA).

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?​

Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

The FDA evaluated data from clinical studies that included tens of thousands of people for each COVID-19 vaccine. The FDA authorized the vaccines because the data from these studies clearly showed that the known and potential benefits of the FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines outweighed the known and p

This is not true and you were misinformed, wherever you got that from. Whenever you see something like that, simply check with the source for example, in (this case, the FDA).

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?​

Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

The FDA evaluated data from clinical studies that included tens of thousands of people for each COVID-19 vaccine. The FDA authorized the vaccines because the data from these studies clearly showed that the known and potential benefits of the FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines outweighed the known and potential risks.

Thanks. That does make more sense. I was told this at midnight so I probably heard wrong

 

[Sierra G]

No need! I got COVID and nothing out of the ordinary happened to me.

My sister got it last year in April, a mild case. She and her husband both got it this year in late February. He got out of the hospital the last Tuesday in April. A month to the day after she did. They both got vaccinated.

Perhaps we need more data.

 

[CarpCharacin]

I believe some of them DO use a dose of virus in them (maybe Astra Zeneca? I'm not sure).

J&J too, but they don't use a coronavirus.

 

[KarynVA]

The university my child will be going to in the fall has just announced they are requiring students to be vaccinated by August 1st. Faculty and staff who work there are strongly encouraged to do so, and must disclose whether or not they have been vaccinated.

Of course, most universities have required certain vaccinations all along. The meningitis vaccine being a common requirement. These are the required immunizations from past years.
Tuberculosis
Tetanus/Diphtheria/Pertussis
MMR
Meningococcal
Hepatitis B

 

[CarpCharacin]

the virus is an evoulution of the cold

Wrong.

Covid-19 doesn’t even effect young people

Wrong.

it just gives you the antibodies

Wrong.

But the FDA hasn’t tested it yet, they gave it emergency approval.

All clinical trial phases were passed, some of them were simply conducted concurrently.

 

[ButtonHoarder]

 

[Texasclucker]

 

[Disheygirl]

That's an oversimplification and if you're in healthcare you should realize that. Transmission rates are variable and so are mortality rates. When transmission rates were high, mortality rates spiked, not just because more people were sick, but because there were fewer resources available for each individual case. You need trained medical personnel to control mortality rates. Everyone can help control transmission rates.

The incidence of the flu was down last year because even the most basic protocols like handwashing and social distancing also limit transmission of the flu. If you want to claim that flu deaths were counted as covid deaths we'll need more proof that "that's the only explanation for why there was so little flu". It's equally probable that early covid cases were counted as flu.

But to get back to your original statement, are mortality rates from covid null in India? Or are they just good enough that we can ignore transmission here unless the mortality rate matches India's? Vaccinated people can still catch the disease. Twelve vaccinated people died in California, along with lots of unvaccinated ones. But people want to be able to leave their homes, go to concerts and ball games, and reassure themselves this is all over. Tell me, as a healthcare worker, what do you think the result of that is going to be?

Because I think transmission rates will go up and so will the mortality rate. We have a vaccine that's not perfect and no widely available, effective protocols for treatment. We don't have enough people vaccinated for herd immunity and without incentives, education, and coersion we won't get there. And once it starts spiking again people will blame the government rather than themselves and even more of them will be resistant to quarantine- because it obviously isn't working.

We have to worry about transmission rates because they're the only things we're sure we can control about covid and its variants. Capisce?

So the flu was down but COVID was unaffected? How does that make sense? If the flu was not only not flat but on the decline (to the tune of 95% from 2019 to 2020) why did we have COVID spikes? And don’t suggest the transmission probability. If the flu can’t get you at six feet apart with a mask, neither can COVID. The truth is that they counted the positive flu test results and deaths as COVID. The CDC posted it on their website - PIC - pneumonia, influenza, COVID. But people have to read to know...they can’t just ingest the sensational media nonsense.

The only blame the government has is their obsession to treat everything with big pharma. COVID is a virus that is harmless to the vast majority (think statistics here). But those who it affects the worst had three + major health issues, and the majority of those were lifestyle related. The good ole American sedentary lifestyle. The government could have used this as an opportunity to educate the lazy masses on the importance of diet, exercise, vitamins, sunlight...but instead they pushed big pharma. And to make it worse, companies offered things like free doughnuts and junk food as “rewards” for vaccination. We just can’t get out of our way....

 

[Chookchicken]

So the flu was down but COVID was unaffected? How does that make sense? If the flu was not only not flat but on the decline (to the tune of 95% from 2019 to 2020) why did we have COVID spikes? And don’t suggest the transmission probability. If the flu can’t get you at six feet apart with a mask, neither can COVID. The truth is that they counted the positive flu test results and deaths as COVID. The CDC posted it on their website - PIC - pneumonia, influenza, COVID. But people have to read to know...they can’t just ingest the sensational media nonsense.

The only blame the government has is their obsession to treat everything with big pharma. COVID is a virus that is harmless to the vast majority (think statistics here). But those who it affects the worst had three + major health issues, and the majority of those were lifestyle related. The good ole American sedentary lifestyle. The government could have used this as an opportunity to educate the lazy masses on the importance of diet, exercise, vitamins, sunlight...but instead they pushed big pharma. And to make it worse, companies offered things like free doughnuts and junk food as “rewards” for vaccination. We just can’t get out of our way....

The reason there were no spikes when it came to the flu is because if no one had the flu, no one could spread it. You kinda answered your own question, the flu was down, meaning not very many people had it, meaning no one could spread it. The spikes were around events that people would gather round their families. I don’t think that bad lifestyles helped their chance of survival, but that doesn’t mean people who had good lifestyles didn’t die. People with no medical conditions died. People who ate the healthiest they could, and were extremely active, still died. Even if they had the bad lifestyle, do they really deserve to die just because you don’t want to follow the rules and listen? Even people who make it through Covid-19 can experience the long haul side effects. We also don’t know how it can effect children, teens, and young adults as they age. You say all these things now, but if you were to ever get sick and have to go to the hospital, you wouldn’t want people saying it’s because you have a bad lifestyle. In the end you believe what you want. Just please think about the other peoples life’s that you could be talking about.

 

[Sierra G]

So the flu was down but COVID was unaffected? How does that make sense? If the flu was not only not flat but on the decline (to the tune of 95% from 2019 to 2020) why did we have COVID spikes? And don’t suggest the transmission probability. If the flu can’t get you at six feet apart with a mask, neither can COVID.

The only blame the government has is their obsession to treat everything with big pharma. COVID is a virus that is harmless to the vast majority (think statistics here). But those who it affects the worst had three + major health issues, and the majority of those were lifestyle related. The good ole American sedentary lifestyle. The government could have used this as an opportunity to educate the lazy masses on the importance of diet, exercise, vitamins, sunlight...but instead they pushed big pharma. And to make it worse, companies offered things like free doughnuts and junk food as “rewards” for vaccination. We just can’t get out of our way....

I didn't say covid was unaffected. Once we were told it was real and that we needed to take action to limit transmission the curve was flattened. We had spikes because the same people you decry for being too stupid to eat healthy are also too stupid to wash their hands or stay home when asked to. I know there were people in my community who were sick and still weren't quarantining. I don't believe yours is different. There was a vaccine for the flu and the protocols that limited the spread of covid were even more effective on the flu, probably because we know more about the flu and we're using what limits transmission of the flu to limit the spread of covid. .

"If the flu can’t get you at six feet apart with a mask, neither can COVID.". Really? You know this how? Are you one of those people who thinks covid is just the flu?

I think you're wrong about what blame the government has, but that's beside the point. When you're in the middle of a pandemic it's a bit late to try more education on healthy eating, exercise, and the risks of smoking. Especially too late when almost no one has listened in the last fifty years. And it's not practical to just write people off because you think they're unhealthy and that they are all to blame for their health issues. You're mad that the government resorted to a solution that depended on the pharmacy industry? What would you suggest instead? Green tea? Cauliflower crust fat free non-dairy cheese pizza? Mayba a mass gathering with motivational speakers? Care to elaborate on what kind of medical professional you are?