The $500 barn

I will try to keep the pictures to a minimum, but I think this will be a picture heavy post.

I have built sliding barn doors several times now. Most recently for the interior doors of our house. I built our home doors as described in the above post with different inserts, and built the hardware as described below.

On cost of the hardware, for the barn it was minimal. I purchased 12 feet of 1.5 x .25 flat bar for $1.10 per foot. I used a narrow bar, previously I used 2 or 2.25 in wide bar, but have minimal clearance on the barn so Ineeded to use a more narrow bar. My only purchase.

I already had the wheels because I previously purchased the incorrect size for my house doors. They are called v-groove cast iron wheels. here's the amazon link.

So at $40 for the wheels, and about $14 for the steel, a total of $55, compared to buying a kit, over $150.

For hardware, I used: 8 - 3/8×1.5, 4 - 3/8 x4 lag screws and 12 washers. The wheels already had lag bolts and lock nuts with them.

I started with cutting the metal down to the sizes I wanted. I used my grinder and a cut off wheel. I broke down and picked up a new grinder, btw... I burt the other one up when I was fabbing up some joist hangers for the house.

I cut 1 at 8 feet and 4 at 1 foot each. After they were cut, I cleaned up the edges with a flap disk. It's hard to catch the difference between a smooth cut versus a sharp one, but I gave it a shot.

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The blue disk is the flap disk. If you ever do any metal work, using one can make your project look profesional versus junky.

With the metal cut, my next step was to drill holes in the steel. the 4, 12" pieces are the straps that will hold the wheel to the door, and the 8' piece is the track. If your inside this can get complicated, because your holes on the track need to fall on studs. I planned for this when I built the barn, and ran a purlin where my track would be. So on the track, I spaced out my 4 holes evenly. For the door straps, it's what ever you think looks best. In this case I didn't want the metal to extend past the top of the wheel because of clearance, so my holes for the wheels were 1.25" from the end.

.25" thick metal is tough to drill through. You cannot simply drill a 3/8 inch hole. The drill bit can't handle it, you'll burn up your bits if you try. For any hole larger than .25" you need to pilot first and then widen.

I pioleted with a .25" metal bit and then widened with a tapered bit ( not sure what it's called)

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Hogging out metal is messy, wear gloves. Nothing feels quite a pleasant as a piece of metal shaving under your finger nail....

I used my drill press to do this, but a regular had drill could be used just as easily.

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Now, your metal is cut and the holes are drilled. Let's get it mounted. Bolt on your wheels to the straps first with a lock nut. After they're assembled, bolt the straps to the doors. Need to be careful on the placement or the doors will hang unevenly. I spaced mine at 2 inches from the center of the v-groove to the top of the door. With my 1.5 inch track, this allows for a .5 inch of clearance between the top of the door and the bottom of the track.

Before you can hang the track, you have to cut a few spacers. The size of the spacers, will depend on the thickness of the door and the wheels, and the length of the bolts holding on the wheels. The space we are filling is between the door track and the wall. To figure it out measure the space between the v-groove and the back of the door. I needed a 1 an 1/8 inch spacer.

I used some 1.5 inch dowl I had laying around for my spacers. After I cut them, I drilled out a 1/2 hole. The hole needs to larger than the bolt.

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With my spacers cut and drilled out, I was ready to hang the door track and put on the doors.



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Next up is is how to keep the doors from moving all over the place. I just used little of this and a little of that, random junk laying around.

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Could not be happier with the way this is looking...

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Nice job! They look great, I love the sliding barn doors!

Did you use cutting oil when you drilled through the steel? It helps a lot on saving the bits from burning up.
 
Those bits are step bits or many people call them by the brand name “Uni-bit”. Drilling something that thick with one is about as thick as you should go, otherwise you will have a tapered hole!

1/4 isn’t that thick.... try 1” with a cordless drill 100 ft up. X9 holes.... one bit and one battery.... yeah that’s for my day job.
 
Those bits are step bits or many people call them by the brand name “Uni-bit”. Drilling something that thick with one is about as thick as you should go, otherwise you will have a tapered hole!

1/4 isn’t that thick.... try 1” with a cordless drill 100 ft up. X9 holes.... one bit and one battery.... yeah that’s for my day job.

What kind of bit do you use for that? I made several joist hangers for my house that took a 3/4 inch bolt. I tried to go all the way in one shot but the bit kept binding, and only lasted for about 2 holes. A metal worker friend recommended the step bit. BTW, the hole wouldn't be tapered if you plunge the bit through the whole way. :p
 
The 1” deep hole is only 1/4” sorry for any confusion there! We used the same bit as you, just push and keep a medium speed! Most of the time I don’t bother with Oil, just use a new bit and toss it after the 8 holes.

If I was going 3/8 like you did I would go to a 3/8” bit after 1/4”. As for your 3/4 holes all depends on how thick the steel is? 1/4” is doable for the uni-bit, but I like reams for anything over say 5/8”. Slow and steady and they work right through.

For the big holes on Big steal at work we have a mag-drill. Basically a drill press with a magnetic base. Drill a pilot and then it takes a special hole saw good to chew through stuff to like 1” thick. Built in Oiler etc etc. most would never need it at home!
 
Some of you may have been wondering what this pile of garbage was in the background of some of my puctures:

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I asure you, that although I am a total redneck, I'm not one to store garbage for no apparent reason :p

under the tarp are pallet slats:

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I have been collecting pallets for almost a year. Sort of. I collected pallets for a few months and have been storing them for almost a year.

Back when this barn was a brain child, I decided to side it with shake style siding using pallet slats.

I can get pallets free and often from work, so coming about enough pallets to do this was not a problem.

this was my process: first I had to figure out how many pallets I would need. I found that 5-7 pallets would render enough wood to cover about 32 sqft of wall. That would mean I would need about a 160 pallets in total to cover the barn.

:eek:

So I got to work. 1 day at a time I collected 5-7 pallets, cut down and stored. All I did was run a circular saw down the slats, cutting out the 2x4's. I saved to 2x material for use in other places. Doing in like this, I was able to cut out all the nails on the first go, leaving nice clean shakes. It took me about 15 minutes per bin full of slats, cut and loaded.

after a few days I found that enough shakes to fill one of those large blue rubbermade bins would cover my 32 sqft, sometimes it was 4 pallets, sometimes 8 based on the quality of the pallets.

Over the last several days I hung the siding. At first I planned to cut all the shakes down to the same size and cleanup the crookedly cut edges. I used some shakes to side my well house a few weeks ago and found that I didn't need to clean them up. I just used the shakes as was, crooked cut and varying length. I thought it added to the character of the Building.


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I'm back at it.

We decided that some kind of sealer was needed on the siding mostly to preserve the varying color of the different species of wood. So I gave everything a coat of Thompson's water sealer.

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We used the stuff in the green can, that preserves the woods natural color. It was something lime 20 bucks a gallon. I applied using a compressed air sprayer. It took about 40 minutes to do the whole thing. I used 3 gallons, and put it on thick.

The sealer darkened the wood quite a bit, and brought out the natural blues. I am very happy with it.

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Next, not pictured I filled in the little triangles where the nest box door are. Apparently when they lay block for a house, the bags of mortar mix are ordered by the pallet, not by the bag. So, we had several bags left over from our house that I mixed with sand and made some nice pads. The don't look like patios, but will definitely serve the purpose.

This weekend I started on the roof. Spring is upon us, so the winds are high and the rain is falling. Much to my dissapontment, the thick tar paper that is supposedly supposed to last several years on its own, is failing. Now we have a leaky roof...

My first step is to build a raised garden bed of sorts around the parameter of the roof. For this I went with some 2x12s, 10s and 6s. I had some laying around from when the metal for our homes roof was shipped. Obviously long metal sheets of roofing don't fit on a normal pallet, so they ship sandwiched between long pieces of 2x material, for us it was 2 20' 2x12s, 1 24' 2x8s and 2 20' 2x6s.

(you can she the shoddy condition of the tar paper)

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Anyway, the hurdle to overcome here is how to attach the 'garden bed' to the roof. I opted to use those cheep aluminum shelving brackets. The way I figure, the are rated at something like 130lbs each and should have no problem holding the organic material in place; they are powder coated so they won't rust; they are cheap about $1.50 per. I doubt they will keep the wood from twisting, which should not affect the intended purpose, only the astetics.



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The top and side are connected directly to the roof while the front is installed with a gap between the decking and bottom of the board for water shed.

Next step is to lay down the plastic. I found a place that sells used and missprinted billboard tarps and was able to purchase a 24x40 foot 6mm thick tarp. This ran $150 shipped. Not to bad imo.

I unrolled the tarp on the roof and tucked into the corners. Sucker is heavy! I held the tarp in place with some screws and washers along the top of the 'garden bed.' I will go back later and pull the screws out and install some furring strips to clean it up.

The wind was really blowing so I did not get any pictures of this step.

On top of the plastic i put down a layer of carpet. This is intended to hold some water on the roof for the plants to drink. I was lucky enough to score a bunch of carpet that has a layer of plastic on the back from a manufacturer in town.

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With the carpet and plastic down i am ready to start layering organic material. I started at the front and worked my way to the top.

We have chosen to build the soil of the roof, versus layering down soil. So we will put down several inches of hay, followed by compost. This will break down, with the assistance of plants, to a nice loamy soil.

The first layer is a little different because of the gap between the 2x6 and the decking. You dont want your material sliding out the gap.

I layed down some chicken wire, then some weed cloth before I layed down hay.

Wire on top of the carpet as to not put a hole in the plastic. It is not nailed to the roof, fyi.

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On top of the hay I made a last minute decision to put down some chicken wire before I layered on the compost. My thinking is that this will help to keep everything in place. It's hard to see, but it's there.

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I haven't quite got it all done ( I ran out of hay) so I do t have a final picture yet. I'll finish up this weekend and post a few more shots
 

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