The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[bluenkimchi]

Yes correct......they are from the native land(not my birds either)

 

[PhoredaBurds]

as I was saying, the sheen from bird to bird of similar background can vary..........these two example have the more shiny betel like sheen of the US lines, but still with a different body form/type and feather structure(hard feathered).......

These boys r gorgeous! Body style is fantastic & their combs r huge. Which lines r they from? R they your birds? I see what u mean about the tight hard feathers.

 

[bluenkimchi]

These boys r gorgeous! Body style is fantastic & their combs r huge. Which lines r they from? R they your birds? I see what u mean about the tight hard feathers.

oh sorry, if my post is misleading. They are Indonesian ayam cemani from the native land(indonesia). I only posted examples of what I'm was referring to.......they belong to a friend from overseas......

there is a big difference between the UK(US included) birds as chicks too.....the indo birds are slower feathered as chicks..........but is not always the case(but majority of time it is)...and almost always hard feathered as adults...

 

[birdman55]

thanks seng for you input....i appreciate it...as it helps people from the us understand what to expect from the breed please text me as my phone has crashed and i lost my contacts...i do have a good line on the hmong chicken...and i should get them soon....but well see..thanks seng for the great pics...my best friends bros name is seng....lol who is hmong...and my girls dad from cally just seen the cemani and was very pleased and waiting for some of the offspring...

 

[bluenkimchi]

thanks seng for you input....i appreciate it...as it helps people from the us understand what to expect from the breed please text me as my phone has crashed and i lost my contacts...i do have a good line on the hmong chicken...and i should get them soon....but well see..thanks seng for the great pics...my best friends bros name is seng....lol who is hmong...and my girls dad from cally just seen the cemani and was very pleased and waiting for some of the offspring...

N/p...........Seng is a very common Hmong name for sure lol...........i'll pm my #, since I lost yours too

 

[PhoredaBurds]

oh sorry, if my post is misleading. They are Indonesian ayam cemani from the native land(indonesia). I only posted examples of what I'm was referring to.......they belong to a friend from overseas......

there is a big difference between the UK(US included) birds as chicks too.....the indo birds are slower feathered as chicks..........but is not always the case(but majority of time it is)...and almost always hard feathered as adults...

Thanks for the info. That's very interesting, especially regarding the feather growth. Great pics too!

 

[artblueggwanter]

i have cemani and svart honas from almost all of the people who have legally imported them....and the sheen is the same in the svarts and the cemanis....not sure if it is the feed but they get the best feed...and are very healthy for that matter...maybe that does make a big difference...but the sheen has alot of colors in it..and they are indeed all black...when they get older some leakage comes thru...im not sure what causes the leakage however its interesting to see an all black bird just start changing its feathers into white...i have placed some of the culls into the free range pen...cause i didnt want to cull them...however when they stand next to the sumatra...there is no difference on the external look of the bird other then the red comb wattles of the sumatra...that i have...i personally believe that even if someone imported them from a different country doesnt mean that the bird hasnt been breed in wild/captive a different species of chicken;....hence the leakage as the bird grows...reason i say this is i have close to a 1000 birds now here....and have hatch many hundreds....of different kinds....even if you have proof your bird is indeed what it is said to be right from the importer thru paperwork...it still doesnt mean that the bird is truly that bird..(you cant prove thru the lineage in our own country let alone in a different country)..when you look at an indonesian bird like the cemani...its qualities are different then the european bird...which is where most all of the importers have gotten their birds from and have brought them to america...the people that have literally aquired them illegally as "decorative eggs" are completely different looking...and if you notice they will sell for 2-5 times more then the legally imported bird..just like the person from yucca valley on ebay...12 egg for over 500 dollars.....thats crazy...but everyone knows that they have illegally imported the bird and is of better quality then the people that paid high dollar to legally import them...but we will pay big dollar in america for eggs and we dont care if they are legal or not...i mean i put money on it that that person isnt filling out any paperwork to legally import them into a different state....especially when i bet they dont have any paperwork on their own set of birds....which they aquired illegally..which is obvious to anyone with half a brain on this breed...something that in this warm time period is only like a 25-50 percent hatch rate...thru the mail...i have seen it in my own hatchings as the days get warmer...anyways so done blabbering...

interesting, now ayam cemani are gallos domesticus ,right?"

 

[playrough87]

here is the link...
let me know what you think
i find it interesting

This is James Phelps. He's the husband of one of our members in our FB Cemani group, and owns Graceful Chickens with her. Your best bet is to contact him through FB. He and his wife run a group called Ayam Cemani Showcase. The 1-5 rating is 1 being worst with 5 being maximum fibro saturation.

Cliff Charles Simmons of Fibro Farms uses a similar scale for his birds, referring to them by "class".

Indonesian SOP only calls for "solid black all over" and never refers to the "beetle sheen" that so many breeders hold in such high regard.

 

[birdman55]

so i picked up some hmong chickens....and lets just say....they are black...so they can get easily confused and brought to the selling point....they are all black and get their male colors when they mature...they are very sweet birds finally i got them....so eggsited for these birds...very interesting to see them in different ages as well...with full color to just the plain all black before they color in. hope this helps

 

[PhoredaBurds]

so i picked up some hmong chickens....and lets just say....they are black...so they can get easily confused and brought to the selling point....they are all black and get their male colors when they mature...they are very sweet birds finally i got them....so eggsited for these birds...very interesting to see them in different ages as well...with full color to just the plain all black before they color in. hope this helps

Sounds fantastic! Do u have any pics for us?