The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[Lemac]

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What is origin of your Hmong rooster ? Vietnam or China ?
This my Hmong rooster & his hen

 

[cjwaldon]

He's gorgeous! What generation and line is he?

He is from GFF roo x 1st generation hen from my TMA line (a sister of the roo you got from me is this one's mother).

 

[Pyxis]

He is from GFF roo x 1st generation hen from my TMA line (a sister of the roo you got from me is this one's mother).

I'm getting some gorgeous babies from that rooster, thanks again! Still having trouble getting the inside of the mouth right, though. Thinking I might get some chicks from GFF and try my luck at getting a black-mouthed one.

 

[cjwaldon]

I'm getting great black mouths since I started using my GFF roo, but I'm still trying to get black tongues.

 

[Pyxis]

I'm getting great black mouths since I started using my GFF roo, but I'm still trying to get black tongues.

Well then, I'm definitely going to get a few straight from GFF. My pullets from them have gray mouths, not black, so I'll try again. Did your roo come direct from them? Wish I could find someone near me to split a GFF order with, since I only want two or three cemanis and really nothing else.

 

[Hatchery Hive]

I am well on my way with hatching out my 3rd generation cemani... pricing depends on the quality. But, I should be selling again soon...

 

[cjwaldon]

Well then, I'm definitely going to get a few straight from GFF. My pullets from them have gray mouths, not black, so I'll try again. Did your roo come direct from them? Wish I could find someone near me to split a GFF order with, since I only want two or three cemanis and really nothing else.

My roo came directly from gff. I got one of the first ones available last April, cost a pretty penny, had silver leakage so they replaced him last October with an older color proven male. This male has a black mouth but gray tongue. Still, he throws some pretty nice offspring.

I'm considering getting some of GFF's new line, which won't be available until next year. I kind of want to see them before I commit with a deposit though.

 

[bronzefarmer]

I know this is a huge long shot but is anyone willing to give me some eggs or possibly chicks for free if I pay shipping I am only 16 years old and can't afford to pay for a full grown bird or the cost of a dozen eggs or even six eggs do to a recent trip to Europe to play soccer for the national soccer academy anyways I am a local FFA member and got second in the county fair last year for my silver duckwing pheonix rooster... But now looking to cross him with a cemani hen so was wondering if anyone has chicks they am could give me... I will not be re selling to make money I truly just want this breed to own them not for re sale thank you have a great night and God bless
-AUSTIN

 

[Pyxis]

I know this is a huge long shot but is anyone willing to give me some eggs or possibly chicks for free if I pay shipping I am only 16 years old and can't afford to pay for a full grown bird or the cost of a dozen eggs or even six eggs do to a recent trip to Europe to play soccer for the national soccer academy anyways I am a local FFA member and got second in the county fair last year for my silver duckwing pheonix rooster... But now looking to cross him with a cemani hen so was wondering if anyone has chicks they am could give me... I will not be re selling to make money I truly just want this breed to own them not for re sale thank you have a great night and God bless
-AUSTIN

I've seen several requests like this one in here recently so I'm not typing this to be mean or even in direct reply to you, but I just want to explain to everyone who keeps asking why this is unlikely to happen, and I won't be doing it personally.

The first reason is that this breed is very expensive, which no doubt is why we keep getting requests like this. But what that means is that breeders who do have the birds have sunk a ton of money into them, and now that they're producing it's a chance to maybe get back a fraction of what we paid for them, and by giving them away we lose any chance to do that. Also, the breed is a work in progress here, so most breeders need to keep their best stock, meaning that they don't have birds to sell, much less give away, unless you're asking for culls. And culls shouldn't be sold or given away for breeding purposes because it hurts the breed, especially now that's it's so new in the country and really needs working on. Having other people breeding from sub-par birds just overall brings the quality of the breed down. It's bad enough that there are a ton of scammers out there ruining the breed selling crosses and one in particular who keeps lying to people telling them they've hatched 'wild type' chicks when they hatch out looking like chipmunks, we don't need the real purebred birds being ruined thanks to irresponsible breeding. I'm saying this because multiple times we've gotten requests that we give our culls away instead of culling them. We're culling them because they shouldn't be bred, giving them to someone else to breed defeats the purpose of culling entirely.

Also, by asking us to give birds and eggs away you're asking us to lose money. I don't mean the money we'd make selling the birds or eggs if we were going to, but yes, we'd be losing that money too. I mean the cost it took us to produce that egg. The cost of the coop, the care, the time, and the feed, as well as all the necessary supplies like feeders and waterers that we needed to buy to even get the bird to the point that it could lay that egg, all that is completely lost by just giving away any eggs. When giving away chicks we'd lose all that plus the cost of the incubator, electricity, feed that the chick has eaten so far, cost of the brooder, etc.

What I've typed above is true of any breed, really. I just wanted to put this out there because this is the fourth or fifth time I've seen this request in here. I wanted to just give people who are asking this some perspective on what they are requesting. They may find someone wiling to give away eggs or chicks to them. But when they take a look at what I've said above, I think they'll find that it's really very unlikely.

 

[cjwaldon]

If you want free, and if someone was nice enough to offer you something, expect to get something with some pretty hefty faults. This is one breed it would be in your best interest to save up and purchase better quality from a reputable breeder. If you're not careful, you'll end up with something like this (photo found on eBay of a supposed "albino" Ayam Cemani).