The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[nicalandia]

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wow I didnt know Toni's line were so productive, would you say as productive as Cream legbars?

 

[DCchicken]

Quote: They put my Cream Legbars to shame. I am actually afraid for the Ayam Cemani breed that in the race for the blackest of the black, some things will get lost. That's why I am maintaining the separate group as kind of a control group that we can go back to in the future. It's kind of cool to me that she raised them landrace for like 5-7 years.

 

[nicalandia]

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Dang..! and they are base off leghorns(legbars).... if they are this good(200+ egg per year) their only drawback would be their Weird/cool looks, some people just find them weird, which is cool for me..

 

[Randy2010]

Mine are also from Toni's line and my one pullet has been laying an egg about every day since she has started. Now my other one has started and laying one every other day. I have a pair coming from Greenfire Farms this week and can't wait to see how they lay once they get started.

 

[nicalandia]

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I didnt know GFF sold Cemani birds, but I know they sell the swedish black hens..

 

[nicalandia]

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Question: How are you improving on their Blackness?

 

[DCchicken]

Quote: There are a lot of Ayam Cemani out there that are gray not black. You really have to pay close attention and look under the wing for skin and bone color. Even if two parents have good pigmentation, it is possible that the chicks will not be perfect.

I am part of a group of Ayam Cemani breeders based here in the U.S. that is dedicated to improving the breed. Some of us will exchange chicks and eggs in the future. But for now, all of us are breeding the ones that exhibit the most hyperpigmentation. There are no perfect Cemani in the U.S. compared to the ones in Indonesia. The Indonesians have had more time. Breeders in the U.S. will need to cull hard for several generations (and maybe even years) and resist the urge to sell every chick they hatch out. Doing so will help the breed obtain the perfect hyperpigmentation that everyone expects. Failing to adhere to a breeding plan and not culling will result in poor quality birds with obvious pigmentation issues.

Having said that, I am keeping a separate line in my breeding program so I can go back to the original landrace variety. Call it a safety rope in case we breed into a deep hole where genetic flaws crop up.

 

[Steadfast]

Are you going to be as nice as Mike and sell ayams to people from your line like Mike did?

And excellent question....

but i dont think it is a rational hope that we will ever get the same kind of deal that MIKE GAVE US... from anyone...
AND I dont think mike will be selling again for a while...
and if he does, it will not be those prices...

However, once i get my mix of both mike's lines up and running,
I am hopeing to swap birds with some of you folks for genetic diversity.

 

[Steadfast]

Since this is a "Breeder's Club"...

Here is another question for you guys to help me ponder:

I realize I am at least 7 months out from needing this, HOWEVER...
I am doing basic preliminary research on incubation for my future Ayam Cemani breeding flock.

When each Pure Ayam Cemani egg containing and embryo has an estimated auction value (ebay) of a whopping $160,
and when each 3 week old Cemani chick sales for $1000 - $2500,
You can see why i cannot afford to waste a single one in a bad incubator.

Mike, who hatched mine said that he only uses a "Agri supply" standard Styrofoam incubator.
and that he has had no problem with this.

I am thinking about building a "Cooler-Bater" https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/incubator-incubator
with some automatic "Agri Supply" egg turners thrown in, but I’m not sure if it is worth the hassle to build one...

What is your take on this?

 

[Chickenwingo]

Don't waste your time Buy A R-Con Incubator its idiot proof So Simple I can use it. Here is the link were I buy mine from shes the cheapest and the nicest and she ships fast her name is Ingrid shes located in florida www.AIBrooderIncubator.com She is the best r-con dealer out there. If I ever needed something she would cut me a big break on the cost or send it to me free and pay for the shipping also. Her is a picture of mine with 20 ayam cemani eggs in there now. I have two of them going, should have bought the 50 egg one. I have over 40 ayam cemani eggs in the incubator now. Goto youtube and search r-con incubators and see how easy they are to use and how effective they are. I have to foam ones after time mine has started to leak. I also use brinsea egg disenfectent in the distilled water I add to the r-con incubator. Set It and don't worry about. It will be the last incubator you buy.
See the digital settings so simple this monkey can use it lol. You say 160 a egg there 20 ayam eggs do the math,lol.