The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[DCchicken]

Ayam Cemani do not have black blood. It's just a rumor that no one has been able to prove in their own bird. The only thing special about the blood is that sometimes the red color is a darker red. Where did you get your stock?

Blood can only be red because of hemoglobin (a molecule inside blood that transports oxygen). When hemoglobin is saturated with oxygen, it swells and turns various shades of red. When it is depleted of oxygen, hemoglobin will be pale and look "blueish" under the skin. So no black blood. Sorry everyone.

Update: After reading my post, I was reminded by a friend that technically there is also a blue "blood" based upon hemocyanin (a copper based molecule). When oxygenated, it will turn blue-green. The famous Maryland Blue Crab has this blue "blood".

 

[Phage]

Oxygenated (arterial) blood is bright red. Deoxygenated (venous) blood is dark red. Inside veins deoxygenated blood can appear to be "purple/ blue".
As far as I am aware AC blood is the same as other chicken blood.

 

[Chickengirl1304]

Does anyone have any Hmong chickens/eggs for sale? Just curious what they go for?

 

[bluenkimchi]

Does anyone have any Hmong chickens/eggs for sale? Just curious what they go for?

Not many people outside the Hmong community have/raise Hmong chickens. Even in the community, only small percent (5-10%) of the Hmong population have them. They are very private in their affairs. When they have it, they don't often sell, even to their own. Selling to others outside of the community is rarely heard of, but does happen sometimes. So, as you can see HC are rare even in the Hmong community and even rarer in the poultry world. No one knows for sure where they originally came from or what breed they might be or mix of. The Hmong tribe of people are a mountainous tribe living in small mountain villages in several SE Asia countries. They have been raising them on their mountain villages for centuries. HC are a mountain breed of high altitude, but they can adapt well to lower land and still be fine. They can tolerate heat and cold very well too, though not sure how cold they can handle. I know that most if not all the stocks in the US are from eggs brought back from Laos by several different people in the early 90s.

I myself am Hmong and when I was trying to find my pullet, it took quite a while, went through several people. Each person said they have or know someone, but the majority of people would give you the run around, till one nice guy finally agree to talk and meet, then went to his place to pick it up.

I would start with an action of say starting bid at $25+shipping for 6+ eggs and maybe started birds $50/pair? But it's really up to you

BTW, mind telling how you got your HCs?

 

[Chickengirl1304]

Not many people outside the Hmong community have/raise Hmong chickens. Even in the community, only small percent (5-10%) of the Hmong population have them. They are very private in their affairs. When they have it, they don't often sell, even to their own. Selling to others outside of the community is rarely heard of, but does happen sometimes. So, as you can see HC are rare even in the Hmong community and even rarer in the poultry world.  No one knows for sure where they originally came from or what breed they might be or mix of. The Hmong tribe of people are a mountainous tribe living in small mountain villages in several SE Asia countries. They have been raising them on their mountain villages for centuries. HC are a mountain breed of high altitude, but they can adapt well to lower land and still be fine. They can tolerate heat and cold very well too, though not sure how cold they can handle. I know that most if not all the stocks in the US are from eggs brought back from Laos by several different people in the early 90s.

I myself am Hmong and when I was trying to find my pullet, it took quite a while, went through several people. Each person said they have or know someone, but the majority of people would give you the run around, till one nice guy finally agree to talk and meet, then went to his place to pick it up.

I would start with an action of say starting bid at $25+shipping for 6+ eggs and maybe started birds $50/pair? But it's really up to you 

BTW, mind telling how you got your HCs?

Thanks so much for the info!

My husband is an attorney and travels to Central/Southern California once in a while and loves to check out the markets in the surrounding areas. He saw a black chicken carcass and remembered me telling him about the Cemani and got me 30 eggs! They're gorgeous

 

[bluenkimchi]

Thanks so much for the info!

My husband is an attorney and travels to Central/Southern California once in a while and loves to check out the markets in the surrounding areas. He saw a black chicken carcass and remembered me telling him about the Cemani and got me 30 eggs! They're gorgeous

That's a very great husband/man

I was from the central valley CA, but had to relocate to the Mid West recently

Your birds are different than my pair I had posted earlier in the thread, but they are gorgeous none the less.

You mention Southern Ca and that reminded me of an email a friend had sent me before I left Ca. There is a couple that lives down So Cal that raise the rare Korean Ogol chicken and the friend had made contact with them to purchase a young started pair from the couple. My friend sent me pics of the parent stock through email, but can't seem to find that email now. If/when my friend does get his birds and he send me more pics, i'll post pics to show you guys.

 

[Chickengirl1304]

That's a very great husband/man 

I was from the central valley CA, but had to relocate to the Mid West recently  Your birds are different than my pair I had posted earlier in the thread, but they are gorgeous none the less.

You mention Southern Ca and that reminded me of an email a friend had sent me before I left Ca. There is a couple that lives down So Cal that raise the rare Korean Ogol chicken and the friend had made contact with them to purchase a young started pair from the couple. My friend sent me pics of the parent stock through email, but can't seem to find that email now. If/when my friend does get his birds and he send me more pics, i'll post pics to show you guys.

Yes, that would be cool to see! Can you post some pics of your Hmong again? I think they're lost way back :/

We are way up in Northern California. Almost to the Oregon border in the mountains.

 

[bluenkimchi]

Yes, that would be cool to see! Can you post some pics of your Hmong again? I think they're lost way back

We are way up in Northern California. Almost to the Oregon border in the mountains.

The older pair I no longer have



this is the Hmong pullet(first pic) and cemani roo(2nd pic) that I brought along

( this is an older pic of him, he is bigger and have bigger comb and wattles now, though the pullet above pic is current)

 

[Chickengirl1304]

The older pair I no longer have this is the Hmong pullet(first pic) and cemani roo(2nd pic) that I brought along ( this is an older pic of him, he is bigger and have bigger comb and wattles now, though the pullet above pic is current)

Oh yes I remember seeing them now. Very pretty.

 

[bluenkimchi]

Oh yes I remember seeing them now. Very pretty.

Thanks