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[madileana]

I hatched an Ayam egg in my incubator after my broody hen went cannibal mode on her hatching eggs. My little Ayam hatched August 11 and he is completely black, however I noticed today that his tongue is red. Will it darken with time or is he pet quality? I paid for some fertile eggs and only he survived. His comb and budding waddles as totally black.

 

[BobletFarmBirds]

Quite the interesting roo here.
Supposedly from a good breeder. Pure Ayam Cemani. (Supposedly).
Also from his batch we incubated, we got a roo with a silver neck. The silver I understand as a genetic throwback, but the red?... No idea. We’re thinking he’s a cross somehow? The hens also have lighter skin and pink mouths. Any tips on this guy?

 

[ANightPerson]

View attachment 1566744 View attachment 1566743 Quite the interesting roo here.
Supposedly from a good breeder. Pure Ayam Cemani. (Supposedly).
Also from his batch we incubated, we got a roo with a silver neck. The silver I understand as a genetic throwback, but the red?... No idea. We’re thinking he’s a cross somehow? The hens also have lighter skin and pink mouths. Any tips on this guy?

Interesting birds! I've never heard of verified purebreds having red body parts (it's always "Oh, yeah, my red chickens are in the pen over but it's DEFINITELY not a hybrid"), but they are thought to be fairly recently descended from green and red junglefowl, so I suppose that they could have red marks if something goes wrong genetically. There are too many factors to perfectly account for the offspring's phenotype, but it could even be that some of the DNA that formed the bird was damaged or incomplete. Some people get birds like this from reputable breeders, but, again, usually they'll have some kind of close-by other breed near their breeding hens. Likely a hybrid. It could even be that a few generations back, the birds crossbred and one of the parent birds carries a red allele. It could be that they tried watering down their flock to make more, or received illegitimate birds themselves. Even birds straight from Indonesia wouldn't be entirely reputable, as they could have other breeds of chicken nearby, or their birds could even be bred by wild chickens in the area. There are so many different circumstances to account for. He's obviously not breeding quality, but he looks like a sweetie! I love the contrast of his red eyes on the black skin around it.

 

[ANightPerson]

View attachment 1566744 View attachment 1566743 Quite the interesting roo here.
Supposedly from a good breeder. Pure Ayam Cemani. (Supposedly).
Also from his batch we incubated, we got a roo with a silver neck. The silver I understand as a genetic throwback, but the red?... No idea. We’re thinking he’s a cross somehow? The hens also have lighter skin and pink mouths. Any tips on this guy?

If your hens also have pink mouths, I'd say they gave you hybrids. That, or the stock that they used was C grade. You could try breeding two of them together (i.e. your red-marked roo and one of the pink-mouthed ones) and see if you get any red babies. That would prove it. Obviously, the offspring should be pets or meat.

 

[BobletFarmBirds]

Interesting birds! I've never heard of verified purebreds having red body parts (it's always "Oh, yeah, my red chickens are in the pen over but it's DEFINITELY not a hybrid"), but they are thought to be fairly recently descended from green and red junglefowl, so I suppose that they could have red marks if something goes wrong genetically. There are too many factors to perfectly account for the offspring's phenotype, but it could even be that some of the DNA that formed the bird was damaged or incomplete. Some people get birds like this from reputable breeders, but, again, usually they'll have some kind of close-by other breed near their breeding hens. Likely a hybrid. It could even be that a few generations back, the birds crossbred and one of the parent birds carries a red allele. It could be that they tried watering down their flock to make more, or received illegitimate birds themselves. Even birds straight from Indonesia wouldn't be entirely reputable, as they could have other breeds of chicken nearby, or their birds could even be bred by wild chickens in the area. There are so many different circumstances to account for. He's obviously not breeding quality, but he looks like a sweetie! I love the contrast of his red eyes on the black skin around it.

If your hens also have pink mouths, I'd say they gave you hybrids. That, or the stock that they used was C grade. You could try breeding two of them together (i.e. your red-marked roo and one of the pink-mouthed ones) and see if you get any red babies. That would prove it. Obviously, the offspring should be pets or meat.

Haha his looks are deceiving! Quite the aggressive little brat. Definitely freezer camp for most of these Roos. If only we had the time and space in the ‘bator for more eggs!
Maybe if we get another red, we can try a cross. Another thing about him I just realized, he has yellow on the bottom of his toes. Usually Cemanis have white if they had bad feet right? Not yellow? Not sure. He is very pretty still, haha.

 

[ANightPerson]

Haha his looks are deceiving! Quite the aggressive little brat. Definitely freezer camp for most of these Roos. If only we had the time and space in the ‘bator for more eggs!
Maybe if we get another red, we can try a cross. Another thing about him I just realized, he has yellow on the bottom of his toes. Usually Cemanis have white if they had bad feet right? Not yellow? Not sure. He is very pretty still, haha.

Good luck! I hope you didn't pay too much for them.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever sold Cemani meat? Is it worth more due to the pigmentation?

 

[BobletFarmBirds]

Good luck! I hope you didn't pay too much for them.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever sold Cemani meat? Is it worth more due to the pigmentation?

I haven’t even tried it yet! This is our 2nd batch from the incubator. We have 3+ that are heading to the freezer soon, so I’ll definitely let you know. I live in Washington State and have never even seen the meat around. Anywhere.
It’ll be a new experience for sure.

 

[ANightPerson]

I haven’t even tried it yet! This is our 2nd batch from the incubator. We have 3+ that are heading to the freezer soon, so I’ll definitely let you know. I live in Washington State and have never even seen the meat around. Anywhere.
It’ll be a new experience for sure.

https://www.exoticmeatmarkets.com/Ayam-Cemani-Chicken-1-Dressed-Bird-p/ayam101.htm
From the looks of it (at least on the two websites where I could find the meat,) it can sell for as much as a chick. Even the testicles can sell for $20, and eating eggs $10 each. Definitely save as much as you can! Bone broth, testicles, and any usable organs. Some people may even buy the blood.

 

[BobletFarmBirds]

https://www.exoticmeatmarkets.com/Ayam-Cemani-Chicken-1-Dressed-Bird-p/ayam101.htm
From the looks of it (at least on the two websites where I could find the meat,) it can sell for as much as a chick. Even the testicles can sell for $20, and eating eggs $10 each. Definitely save as much as you can! Bone broth, testicles, and any usable organs. Some people may even buy the blood.

Holy crap!
Wow. Didn’t realize they were still so popular. Wow.
Hmmm... curious, do you know what they use the testicals for?

 

[ANightPerson]

Holy crap!
Wow. Didn’t realize they were still so popular. Wow.
Hmmm... curious, do you know what they use the testicals for?

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