The American Paint Silkie

[Moochie]

I wouldn't pay 200 bucks for shoes either.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I am pretty sure that two copies of recessive white will make an all white bird, preventing black from showing. Dominant and recessive white work differently, and the combined effect should pretty much eliminate any chance for feather pigment. Now a single copy of recessive white would not do this.

 

[Muzzie]

Way to confusing for me I will leave it up to you and just enjoy looking at what you produce. They are beautiful

 

[robin416]

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I agree with you Suze about a double dose of recessive. But with two different groups of paint to white it appears that Dom rules since most hatched are paint. Odd thing about these is that there are no whites, there are a couple of darks but no whites like has been seen using Paint to black.

From some other discussions it appears that solids do not carry the genetics to make paints. So that means any solids are what you see, solid no paint hidden in there.

 

[onthespot]

Two doses of recessive white WILL turn off the black. Dominant white will too. If you have been raising silkies for years, you know that. Don't kid yourself or your customers otherwse, or you will be cheating them and yourself. I'm not saying don't do it. Do it if you want, but the rules of genetics apply to paints, same as any other silkies. Recessive white covers everything, period if you get two genes of it. That is my point. A lot of people don't know what they have floating around in their gene pool. It would be a shame to find out with expensive silkies that have recessive white floatng around. That's the point I was trying to make. I am not trying to get this thread locked, just trying to stick to the truth, so people can make intelligent breeding choices.

 

[robin416]

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We are evidently thinking in two different directions. With paints all indicators so far are is that they either are dom or they are not. If paint is the result then they are dom white with black. If they are solids they are solids, no paint there. Whether dom is floating around in solids is till to be shown, its too early yet to know that. Or if recessive is hidden there, again its not been proven to be or not to be. That is what is being worked on to understand how the genes work. Without knowing this then what is there to tell other than we don't know.

 

[onthespot]

Dominant white can NOT float around in a black bird. If they are black bird, they do NOT carry dominant white. If a bird gets two doses of recessive white, it will be white, and the spots will not show. They will still be genotypic paints, but they will be phenotypic white. Most likely they will still express the odd colored eyes and the pink feet soles, would be my only guess how you would tell white paints from plain whites. I still say crossing in recessive white is just cluster junking up the gene pool. Steer clear of recessive white genes in the paint silkie experiment is my best advice, to breeders and buyers. You don't need it to make them. Why add it to the mix when it covers paint?

 

[robin416]

Let's leave this where it is for now. The other breeder and I are not far enough along yet to make any declaratory remarks about how this going to affect any of the colors with any assurance. What I know is that using the recessive white with paint gave me black skin and dark eyes and paint.

What I have seen is way more questions than answers because paint is not behaving in a way that is currently understood by others that are very informed in the world of genetics. And that even the American paints are behaving differently than those in Europe.

The gist is that what we know to be true genetically with all other Silkies may not be true in paint Silkies. There are only two ways to find out, breed them or have gene sequencing done. That last from Sigrid Von Dort.

 

[Leecie]

Beautiful bird!! Im jealous!

 

[BuffyGRL]

I love these Paints. I have read this thread and find it interesting.