The BANTAM ORPINGTON Thread

[lildinkem]

I never heard of any judge asking a breeder if their bird was UK. Yet alone DQ'ing a UK bird.
Have you Don?

 

[Don Chandler]

I never heard of any judge asking a breeder if their bird was UK. Yet alone DQ'ing a UK bird.
Have you Don?

If a English type was DQ it would have something wrong with it. Being fluffy is not a DQ. A judge has to judge what is there, which bird is in the best condition will win most of the time. We all have english type birds, thats where they came from. The US folks bred them to there liking I guess. If you look at some of the good US buffs today, some of those birds are pretty fluffy. I have some pullets I'm breeding this year that are fluffy. You can still see there leg up 2 or 3 inches.

 

[OSUman]

Biggest problem with the bantams from the UK is their size, though it seems like they're shrinking down okay for me. There is also my personal preference where I am going to try and lessen the fluff in my birds.

 

[lildinkem]

If a English type was DQ it would have something wrong with it. Being fluffy is not a DQ. A judge has to judge what is there, which bird is in the best condition will win most of the time. We all have english type birds, thats where they came from. The US folks bred them to there liking I guess. If you look at some of the good US buffs today, some of those birds are pretty fluffy. I have some pullets I'm breeding this year that are fluffy. You can still see there leg up 2 or 3 inches.

I know I learn alot from Doug's seminar that he puts on every first week in Jan.
Jack Patterson is Doug's mentor and he usually goes threw a row of birds on display and tells everyone how they are critiqued in an APA judges eye. Jon Patterson (no relation to Jack) also goes threw DQ'ing traits. I never heard either of them say profuse feathering, too small a head, too low a skirt, too short a back are DQ'ing traits.

 

[Don Chandler]

Biggest problem with the bantams from the UK is their size, though it seems like they're shrinking down okay for me. There is also my personal preference where I am going to try and lessen the fluff in my birds.

Jon, was our bantam orps imported? Or was they made here? I know the old orp club sec Ralph worked on them, just I don't know the real facts. Warren Tye worked for several years with them, well he still is, but not like he used to. Most orp bantams now came from Warren in a round about way.

 

[Don Chandler]

Jon, was our bantam orps imported? Or was they made here? I know the old orp club sec Ralph worked on them, just I don't know the real facts. Warren Tye worked for several years with them, well he still is, but not like he used to. Most orp bantams now came from Warren in a round about way.

Jon, I looked in the std and all the bantams was entered in 1960.

 

[lildinkem]

Jon, I looked in the std and all the bantams was entered in 1960.

Don here is my rollee pollee fat Dun Bantam pullet. She has zero USA Bantam Orp blood. She is from my BUSTOFF line. Somewhere in BUSTOFF's lineage there is Bantam. And when she wants too, and is not being lazy, she can actually stand up and look like a Banty Orp. Except she is a Dun. She has laid her 2nd egg. I guess I can take her to my smallest late season grow out cockerel and see IF I can make a few more.

By the way she lives in a Parrot cage I found for $15 at Goodwill rite next to my TV chair where she loves to have her head pet.

 

[rebel yell]

I sent Roger a box of chicks last spring, I don't know if those girls are some I sent him. He showed some and I think he's ready to show some more. In that country where he lives you have to have a Old English or you don't have others to show against.

Yep, Don that is pullets from you. Love these little birds, Call them my "Little Black Diamonds" They are just great & yea I have got one of them picked out to show in Greensboro NC. in April or May. Not a big show but I can only get to the ones real close by. Does any one have the date on this show ?Thanks Don for such good birds !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[OSUman]

Don, I was mainly talking about the Chocolates and the blacks from the chocolates.

Jon, was our bantam orps imported? Or was they made here? I know the old orp club sec Ralph worked on them, just I don't know the real facts. Warren Tye worked for several years with them, well he still is, but not like he used to. Most orp bantams now came from Warren in a round about way.

 

[lildinkem]

This is what APA judge Walt Leonard said:
The APA does not care what people raise. An APA show will use the APA Standard to judge birds in an APA show. If birds are not accepted by the APA they will be judged as a non standard breed and the judge will be just guessing if they don't have a standard for that breed, so sometimes people will provide the judge with the "standard". A non standard bird can only go as high as BV and even then it cannot compete against the other birds for a higher award. As an example until a couple years ago the Marans were not recognized by the APA. Serious breeders would sometimes provide the French Standard for judges to use. Now two Marans are recognized. (Black Copper and Wheaten).

I personally raise three non standard breeds and will probably raise some British Orps this season. I also raise what I want to raise and it is not always a standard breed. People should raise whatever birds they enjoy.

Walt

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