I didn't think of everything before I posted this. I wasn't thinking of the Buff (hatchery) Turkens. Some reason I was thinking about the color of the Buff Brahmas. I didn't want to use feather legged birds, but that color. The dark stripes at the back if the neck area. Well if Turkens were fully feathered then it would be there. I just didn't think ahead. It would be a good project though if someone wanted to create that color in a breed of chickens that it doesn't exist. The buff Columbian ( black tailed buff) are getting harder to come by. A lot if the hatcheries are breeding to more colors than ever and that and the classic red are less and less coming in the batches they send out. Okay the Columbian Rocks that @Yard full o' rocks bred from Light Brahmas, are they the silver then. That is the line that Cackle is now carrying. Is the Wyandotte (Columbian) not based on silver then? With the current inventory diwn here due to a the predators, I'm looking around for the right colors to get my calico NN going better. Spangled, Buff Columbian, mottled, etc. Hey what do you think about adding some mottled java blood. Do young think that the body type is too wrong for a NN?