The Evolution of Atlas: A Breeding (and Chat) Thread

[oldhenlikesdogs]

How many different diseases are transmitted through the eggs? I don't buy adult birds either anymore, and I don't get tractor supply birds because some of those ended up with Mareks. I only order from one hatchery. I have purchased some hatching eggs from them too.

 

[speckledhen]

How many different diseases are transmitted through the eggs? I don't buy adult birds either anymore, and I don't get tractor supply birds because some of those ended up with Mareks. I only order from one hatchery. I have purchased some hatching eggs from them too.

Some are, like mycoplasma synovaie and lymphoid leukosis (which can look a bit like Marek's but happens in older birds, generally. Marek's is not transmitted through the egg, but could be "on" the egg in feathers/dander). But most are from bird to bird, called horizontal transmission. There is even a rare mutated form of cocci that can be passed from parent stock to chicks that does not act like the cocci you and I are used to seeing-that was a shocker a few years ago when LH had a couple necropsied by the Univ of Ky.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Once again I'm learning stuff from you. Im certainly gonna look into it some more. Thank you.

 

[speckledhen]

Once again I'm learning stuff from you. Im certainly gonna look into it some more. Thank you.

Well, I know some stuff, but so do a lot of other folks here, especially Mary (1muttsfan) on this thread. We sometimes learn from unfortunate experience or just from plain old paranoia! I am in both groups, the first with internal laying/egg yolk peritontis and the latter with respiratory diseases. I'm so afraid to have a carrier flock because I want to sell my extra chicks and hatching eggs, though I do that more rarely than I used to do it.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

The paranoia is why I don't sell eggs even though I get a lot. I don't want nothing coming back on my for someone eating a wonky egg. I scramble mine up and feed them back to the birds.

I used to sell goats but I don't like dealing with people either so now everything stays here in one form or another. I don't trust anyone anymore unfortunately. As a kid everyone trusted and relied on everyone but that's not the case anymore.

 

[getaclue]

Try Tetroxy, or any of the water soluble tetracyclines. It's normally yellow in color. The rule of thumb is to use a white, or clear plastic container, add water, then slowly add the antibiotic until the water just starts turning color. Give them only that to drink. Mix fresh each day for 5 - 10 days. Don't go over 10 days. If it's a simple respritory infection, that should clear it up nicely.

 

[speckledhen]

Try Tetroxy, or any of the water soluble tetracyclines. It's normally yellow in color. The rule of thumb is to use a white, or clear plastic container, add water, then slowly add the antibiotic until the water just starts turning color. Give them only that to drink. Mix fresh each day for 5 - 10 days. Don't go over 10 days. If it's a simple respritory infection, that should clear it up nicely.

If Wyatt doesn't already have it, you cannot buy it now. It's off the shelves as of January 1. All water soluble antibiotics are not for consumers w/o prescription. Ridiculous, IMO, but it is that way now.

The thing is, there are very few "simple" respiratory infections. Most are in a category like mycoplasmosis. Now, some birds have issues with non-contagious bacterial sinusitis, but you can't know that's what it is with any certainty unless you know the circumstances of the infection. Since Wyatt just bought this bird, it's unclear. Even if the symptoms subside, the birds can still infect the entire flock if it has MG or Coryza. So, the question is, do you roll the dice and risk infecting the flock? Or get an actual diagnosis with testing? See the problem with medicating an unknown illness? If it's viral, antibiotics would not help anyway.

 

[speckledhen]

The paranoia is why I don't sell eggs even though I get a lot. I don't want nothing coming back on my for someone eating a wonky egg. I scramble mine up and feed them back to the birds.

I used to sell goats but I don't like dealing with people either so now everything stays here in one form or another. I don't trust anyone anymore unfortunately. As a kid everyone trusted and relied on everyone but that's not the case anymore.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I don't trust people, either. I've been burned a few times myself in my life when I was only trying to help someone and got a knife in my back. With chickens, they love to pawn off their "problem" birds on other people, like the one they say keeps getting a "cold". Of course, chickens don't get head colds like people do. But you and I know that. Sometimes, it's just plain ignorance of the facts and they have no clue they are about to cause a disease in someone else's flock, but I know auctions and flea markets are great places for nasty folks to sell nasty birds to others. And even NPIP is not a guarantee of good health so don't trust that, either.


ETA: I think I'm losing Xander. His crop is all doughy, refuses to go down.When that happens, or when it did with the big Orps, it was the crop just simply quitting. I've done it all, including the Colace. And massage is very hard because he's a little guy. Dang it. We adore that little guy.

 

[Wyatt0224]

Thank you everyone for responding to my question. As of tonight before I put them up, she seemed to be acting fine. If anything it looked like some of the stuff coming out of her nostril had gone down just a bit and no more bubbles. However on her beak it looked like there was this greenish-brown gunk had come out of her right nostril and collected on her beak. I'm not sure though if was just something that she picked up while scratching around though. As of tonight no one else seems to have that problem as well. Is there anyway what she has isn't contagious because where I got her from she was in a big barn stall with at least 50 other pullets. I got three more from the lady and all of them are perfectly fine. That's what is confusing me about this being infectious because even the ones she lived with don'tt havie any of these symptoms. Also I'm not sure if I mentioned before I could hear her breathe from her nostrils but now I do t hear that.

Poor Xander, if he's going to pass I hope it's peaceful. I did enjoy reading all the stories you posted about him.

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I don't trust people, either. I've been burned a few times myself in my life when I was only trying to help someone and got a knife in my back. With chickens, they love to pawn off their "problem" birds on other people, like the one they say keeps getting a "cold". Of course, chickens don't get head colds like people do. But  you and I know that. Sometimes, it's just plain ignorance  of the facts and they have no clue they are about to cause a disease in someone else's flock, but I know auctions and flea markets are great places for nasty folks to sell nasty birds to others. And even NPIP is not a guarantee of good health so don't trust that, either.


ETA: I think I'm losing Xander. His crop is all doughy, refuses to go down.When that happens, or when it did with the big Orps, it was the crop just simply quitting. I've done it all, including the Colace. And massage is very hard because he's a little guy. Dang it. We adore that little guy.

Oh no, that's horrible news. I wish I had some helpful advice. I can say it's always the good ones, but I think you are like me and all your birds are the good ones.