The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[AletaG]

Due to some side commentary in an email discussion with a Canadian Hatchery, wanted to look up the original "brew" on Rhode Islands... Something about "braiding in" a NH cockerel from time to time to keep the size up or something. Is there NH in the RIR background, I thought there was a history sort of section in this thread, maybe someone can point me back to it?
Thanks guys, for keeping my neurons firing while waiting for shipping weather.

 

[Fred's Hens]

The RIR was first. Much, much later, the New Hampshire was developed out of the RIR, using only selection. This offshoot, if you will, then was granted its own breed status.

Mixing in a bit of NH from time to time for size sounds reasonable enough. As best I understand it, the NH forked into two basic groups, a meat strain and an egg strain. Then, recently, the bringing back over of long separated strains from Germany brought new interest back to the breed.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Due to some side commentary in an email discussion with a Canadian Hatchery, wanted to look up the original "brew" on Rhode Islands... Something about "braiding in" a NH cockerel from time to time to keep the size up or something. Is there NH in the RIR background, I thought there was a history sort of section in this thread, maybe someone can point me back to it?
Thanks guys, for keeping my neurons firing while waiting for shipping weather.

That is a reasonable assumption, I have a cockerel and a pullet that are a combo or RIR x NH and due to the crossing of the two types which sorta works the same as hybrid vigor could be explained they are both I'd say around 25% bigger as their pure breed hatchmates of the same ages and sex. (my heritage pro reds I named them just for Bob) (I got some heritage BSLs too that are "huger" and more amazing)

But beware this is sacred territory(RIR turf) you're crossing or sailing through on this thread so there's liable to be shots

fired across your bow if the subject is dwelled on too much.

Could say though it would liven things up around the place somewhat LOL

I'm not fully convinced probly won't ever be the the NH were developed solely from RIR stock only, body type, the light multi- colors and most definitely those floppy Leghorn combs on the girls tell me there's something else in the woodpile/or closet someone didn't let out or tell all on. IMO till blue in the face or proven otherwise

Jeff

 

[Chad Cool]

Are RIR mean? I had some when i was a kid and the rooster would light my butt up everytime I would get around him or the hens.

 

[Chris Herzog]

Jeff,
In regards to the RIR meets at our show in November at LSU.....one is a State meet the other will be a Special meet. I'm not sure why Rhonda listed it as a Distric meet. As you already found out La, Is in Dist 6.

Chris

 

[fhlavaty1280]

just seeing if anyone has reds for sale?? you can email me [email protected]

 

[catdaddyfro]

Jeff,
In regards to the RIR meets at our show in November at LSU.....one is a State meet the other will be a Special meet. I'm not sure why Rhonda listed it as a Distric meet. As you already found out La, Is in Dist 6.

Chris

yeah OK Chris I see where it is listed as district and Special meets for several clubs in the PP ad. I edited my other post too so not to get mass confuzzelization astirr.

Jeff

 

[Robert Blosl]

Are RIR mean? I had some when i was a kid and the rooster would light my butt up everytime I would get around him or the hens.

They sure are those you get at the feed store. A kid can be in a pen and BAM he will smack them in the face with his feet.

Now those dark dark dark ones the real R I Reds H==L No

In regards to the leg color of the half and half's. That came from the Florida line cross and that's why we have the black quill color. The Quill color from Illinois is lighter in color so I guess the cold weather took it away.

You have to decide if you want the pretty yellow legs or the dark dark horn beaks, black quill colors and dark horn leg color. I don't think the judges care one bit as long as they have good wide even backs, nice green tails and brick oblong shape.

 

[RoseMarie1]

Are RIR mean? I had some when i was a kid and the rooster would light my butt up everytime I would get around him or the hens.

Mines not mean. The most calmest birds I have so far.

 

[AletaG]

The RIR was first. Much, much later, the New Hampshire was developed out of the RIR, using only selection. This offshoot, if you will, then was granted its own breed status.
Mixing in a bit of NH from time to time for size sounds reasonable enough. As best I understand it, the NH forked into two basic groups, a meat strain and an egg strain. Then, recently, the bringing back over of long separated strains from Germany brought new interest back to the breed.

So it wouldn't necessarily be a terrible thing to do, then, if you wanted to pick a really amazing, meaty NH and thread it into a family breeding, see what happens... then theoretically 8 gens (or was it 10) you can breed it with your other families as if they were an infusion of RIR because at that point they'd be considered 'pure' again? Have the Germans done anything oddball with them on the other side of the pond... I know the color seems to have developed a little differently, but considering the long separation, pretty cool... You'd want a reason to do it, obviously... although...

That is a reasonable assumption, I have a cockerel and a pullet that are a combo or RIR x NH and due to the crossing of the two types which sorta works the same as hybrid vigor could be explained they are both I'd say around 25% bigger as their pure breed hatchmates of the same ages and sex. (my heritage pro reds I named them just for Bob) (I got some heritage BSLs too that are "huger" and more amazing)
But beware this is sacred territory(RIR turf) you're crossing or sailing through on this thread so there's liable to be shots

fired across your bow if the subject is dwelled on too much.

Could say though it would liven things up around the place somewhat LOL
I'm not fully convinced probly won't ever be the the NH were developed solely from RIR stock only, body type, the light multi- colors and most definitely those floppy Leghorn combs on the girls tell me there's something else in the woodpile/or closet someone didn't let out or tell all on. IMO till blue in the face or proven otherwise

Jeff

Wasn't planning on dwelling on it and I'm no stranger to trouble. Sorta follows me around like a thundercloud.... Anyway! So did they end up being more meaty, or just 'bigger boned' by maturity? Have you chatted about it elsewhere? Did your hens in the crosses end up with the floppy comb also? How many gens did you take it? ... and the answers don't have to be on this thread... unless anyone else is interested? (How canna ya have a heritage BSL? Isn't that black sex link, and are YOU going to give someone an aneurism?