The horrible topic about the time to kill ?What about¿

[Quijote]

Here, where I actually live, Spain, there is an horrible spectacle calling "corridas de toros", the most people is against it, but a lot money is on the table. The "corridas" carry on and its supporters take up the same reason: the bull has a beautifull life in the country, no work, good food, then, we have right to get fun torturing him and kill.
The evil is not in the facts but in the spirit of that people. Nobody know anything about suffering of animals, perhaps they unknow that the death exits and that all us have to die some day, perhaps they afronts the death without any kind of knowlegge about, but there is a thing that moves the human spirit: the infinite innocence of the animal; the man never is it, even when child.
That is the reason that man who kills animals, like a hunter, feel bad and explains all kinds of reasons and motives, and even trys to discredit who dares to apoint it with sentences like "yes but you like to eat a good beefsteak...."
Yes I like it indeed, but we bear an enormous load over our souls.

 

[partsRheavy]

I was wondering whether you were in Spain or Nueva Espana (Mexico). I think in Mexico or America Central they would just eat them! !Comeles!

I think you have a lot of vegetarian friends. Do you eat chicken or salad and tofu?

If you eat chicken there is an unfortunate time known as slaughter day or maybe fowl-up-when-new-to-caponizing-day.

(With learning I hope the "fowl-ups" won't be so bad!!!)

It's hard the first time you kill them. They are so CUTE as baby chicks!! Even when they PEEP PEEP when you get them at 6-8 wks old.

I couldn't eat them right after the first time I helped slaughter.

I wanted BEEF for dinner!! COWS just stand around eating grass or $$hay$$ and don't have the personality of chickens....

However 10 days later I have about 4 little cockerels in a HUGE soup container with a LOT of garlic, onions, and peppers. After they simmer several hours I will put whole wheat pasta and brown rice to make a healthy soup.

It's the cure for the common cold which is already going around here!!

 

[BoomChickaRocka]

You raised them and bred them for a purpose it is only respectful when you let them serve that purpose

 

[Quijote]

I´m afraid you are wrong, I am spanish, so I´m european.
Regards.

 

[Quijote]

And, of course, you decide the porpouse.
Perhaps you are living for some porpouse as well.
Who you want to decide about it?

 

[KenK]

If you don't want to kill a chicken for food don't do it. If one is injured and needs to be put down perhaps you can find somebody to do it for you.

It doesn't bother me to kill one for the table but I wouldn't do anything I didn't have to if caused me as much distress as this seems to be causing you.

My wife eats meat but would be a vegan if she had to kill anything herself. I don't have a problem with that mindset as long as you respect my willingness to do it myself.

 

[Oregon Blues]

My Gods decide my purpose and that is out of my control.

"Bull fighting" in the USA does not involve harming the bulls and the fighting bulls are supreme athletes with the keeping of the statistics, fans, the very best care, and their own sports trainers

Bull fighting in Spain looks a lot like animal abuse to me, but it is a cultural thing, so none of my business.

The animals that I raise and eat are not tortured to death. If you want to be a vegan, I have no quarrel about that, but comparing home raised chickens in the USA to the bull fights of Spain is a worthless meaningless comparison.

 

[feathersnuggles]

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Quijote, you pose a good philosophical question. Yes everything alive has a purpose. But everything dies, too. Death is part of the circle. Would I rather not be born, just because I will die, one day? What if I knew that someone would take my life someday - would I still rather not be alive today? Maybe I would rather not be born, if my destiny was to be continually tortured during life, and also in death. Yes, the bull torture is not good. But I don't torture my chickens in life - or in death. Some of them live several years doing exactly what chickens want to do: eat, fly, jump, dig, take dust baths, mate, sleep on roosts snuggled with their flockmates, brood over eggs, raise chickies (pio, pio, pio).

If a raccoon kills my chickens, is that better or worse than me killing them when their time has come? They are still dead, either way. They still lived, either way.

Good philosophical question, though. Thanks! I have recently been thinking about how much soil life dies, whenever we garden or plow the soil for planting, etc. So much death happens all around us, all the time... in order that life continues. Life feeds on death. As long as we breathe, we all feed on death. Even the most anti-death person feeds on death, all the time.

 

[Quijote]

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I´m in the exatly mind possition than your wife. You can be sure I respect you for ever, but (I expect you agree) the human been tends to confuse to respect with to keep the lips sealed.

 

[Quijote]

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Ok, and if your birds could speak, didn´t they said same? and.... Who would be their God in that case? Maybe you?
You are right, it´s unacceptable to compare: the bloody metal cone is much more terrorific than the worst bull fighting in Spain.