The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[Blarneyeggs]

I would love to see a [COLOR=333333]Porcelain English Orpington...maybe I should start on that project too [/COLOR] all I need are some good [COLOR=333333]Jubilees!![/COLOR]

I am working on it... I am worried about type because I think the jubilees and the lavenders both lack type... In my opinion that is. All my lavenders end up way too leggy with awful feather quality. The jubies are just a bit too small. I guess I just have to wait and see how they grow out.

I have a project going now for the lavenders it will be a few years before it is complete but my #1 goal at the end of this project is to have big fluffy lavenders like my black pullet below. So once I get the lavs where I want them I will start on my own Porcelain project [COLOR=B42000] [/COLOR]

Sooo pretty! Can't even see a hint of leg there. Very nice.

 

[aveca]

The name Spangle/Mottle Orpington are actually two different color patterns....In Germany (Europe) they are only called Spangle Orpingtons....these are more black with less white mottling.....In England they added the "Mottle" to the name...the "Mottles" have more white mottling with less black. Today we call them Spangle/Mottle Orpingtons. I've produced both patterns....more "Mottles" and less "Spangles" and yes, their skin is light colored. Thomas Hommel of Germany has shared this information with me....here are a couple photos of 5+ month old hens.....you can see by the photo the difference in the mottle pattern....both of these hens will continue to develop more white as they age and after they moult........Louise Autumn Farm Orpingtons


"Spangle" Orpington


"Mottle" Orpington

This is imortant info for anyone interested in mottled orps..I would be nice if there was an orp education page so something like this doesnt get lost in the blizzard of us talking.. I think these are the most beautiful of the color varieties.

 

[Lots A Cluckin]

Quote: Thank you!! Her and her other 2 sisters have very little leg showing. This pullet in particular also has a very wide back and deep chest.

 

[thedragonlady]

The name Spangle/Mottle Orpington are actually two different color patterns....In Germany (Europe) they are only called Spangle Orpingtons....these are more black with less white mottling.....In England they added the "Mottle" to the name...the "Mottles" have more white mottling with less black. Today we call them Spangle/Mottle Orpingtons. I've produced both patterns....more "Mottles" and less "Spangles" and yes, their skin is light colored. Thomas Hommel of Germany has shared this information with me....here are a couple photos of 5+ month old hens.....you can see by the photo the difference in the mottle pattern....both of these hens will continue to develop more white as they age and after they moult........Louise Autumn Farm Orpingtons


"Spangle" Orpington


"Mottle" Orpington

Lovely girls

 

[fowlman01]

This is imortant info for anyone interested in mottled orps..I would be nice if there was an orp education page so something like this doesnt get lost in the blizzard of us talking.. I think these are the most beautiful of the color varieties.

The mottled breeds in the US start out looking like a British spangle and later become like a British Mottled. Mottled birds show more white as they age. That is the normal progression in a mottled bird. It will have less white as a pullet and more white as a hen with more white showing each year. Maybe this is not true in the British birds, but it is true in every mottled breed here in the States.

Walt

 

[PugBug]

kidcody they are beautiful, seeing them both it makes more sense what you are saying & good info to know!

 

[Chickengirl1304]

Will a chocolate cuckoo orpington breed true?

 

[jeremy]

Will a chocolate cuckoo orpington breed true?

Do you mean will a Chocolate Cuckoo Orpington bred with a Chocolate Cuckoo Orpington produce Chocolate Cuckoo offspring?

If so, then yes.

 

[jeremy]

The mottled breeds in the US start out looking like a British spangle and later become like a British Mottled. Mottled birds show more white as they age. That is the normal progression in a mottled bird. It will have less white as a pullet and more white as a hen with more white showing each year. Maybe this is not true in the British birds, but it is true in every mottled breed here in the States.

Walt

I'm pretty sure this is true of the Imported Mottled Orps, too.

Those with Mottleds should be breeding for a bird with an even distribution of spangles, similar to the first bird pictured by Louise. She will mature into a wonderful specimen.

Like you mentioned Walt, with age a Mottled bird will progressively become whiter, so breeding for birds with less and a more even distribution of mottling should then lend to a better marked bird as it matures. This same principle can be applied to breeding the Jubilee pattern.

I read something recently about "hysterical mottling", what I'm assuming is the overly white extreme cases of mottling that you see in some birds, especially in Tolbunt Polish. These are birds that you wouldn't want to use in breeding because in just a few years you'd have a bird predominantly white plumage.

I've always loved Mottleds from N&J Orpingtons, they're one of the most highly respected Spangled breeders in the UK. Their birds are a wonderful example of what we should be breeding for, colorwise.

 

[boykin2010]

I'm pretty sure this is true of the Imported Mottled Orps, too.

Those with Mottleds should be breeding for a bird with an even distribution of spangles, similar to the first bird pictured by Louise. She will mature into a wonderful specimen.

Like you mentioned Walt, with age a Mottled bird will progressively become whiter, so breeding for birds with less and a more even distribution of mottling should then lend to a better marked bird as it matures. This same principle can be applied to breeding the Jubilee pattern.

I read something recently about "hysterical mottling", what I'm assuming is the overly white extreme cases of mottling that you see in some birds, especially in Tolbunt Polish. These are birds that you wouldn't want to use in breeding because in just a few years you'd have a bird predominantly white plumage.

I've always loved Mottleds from N&J Orpingtons, they're one of the most highly respected Spangled breeders in the UK. Their birds are a wonderful example of what we should be breeding for, colorwise.

Yep, always love that hen when I see her. I imported a Spangle/Mottle hen that is part Jane's bloodline (N&J) and she is beautiful. Very evenly distributed spangles and nice type.
I have another hen from Louise that is gorgeous also. I will need to take some photos of her this weekend to post. I believe she would be considered "mottled" from what you are saying, but then again she is only 8-9 months and could lose the excess white when she is older.