The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[galanie]

Some trim, some pluck. Problem if you trim, can't show them. If you pluck, they grow right back often. Breeders of other breeds have assured me that REAL breeders pluck! hehe. You do have to do just one at a time though, or you'll tear the skin. Ask me how i know.

You have video on that? LOL

LOL!! Nope, sorry!

 

[Margitas]

LOL!! Nope, sorry!

I create some new colors and breeds so when my wife see when i do the artificial semination she laugh like you. but is never hurt to try.

 

[rockinpaints]

Some trim, some pluck. Problem if you trim, can't show them. If you pluck, they grow right back often. Breeders of other breeds have assured me that REAL breeders pluck! hehe. You do have to do just one at a time though, or you'll tear the skin. Ask me how i know.

And

 

[BerrytangleFarm]

Anyone have the Gold Laced Orps imported by Greenfire? I confess - I've been drooling over them. Trying to decide if I should get them or not. I'm concerned with all the fluff, fertility might be an issue for breeding?

Jordan Farms may have some in the spring. I'm drooling over everything they're planning on releasing next spring!

 

[OSUman]

Fluff is an issue in breeding on alot of orpingtons.

 

[Chickenhill]

Anyone have the Gold Laced Orps imported by Greenfire? I confess - I've been drooling over them. Trying to decide if I should get them or not. I'm concerned with all the fluff, fertility might be an issue for breeding?

These kids are from Greenfire. You will drool everytime you see them in person too! They are such sweethearts and love to be played with. The coloring is like nothing I have ever seen. Can't help you with the breeding part yet The imports are addicting!


The Jubilee are not from Greenfire, but are 1/2 Marcs and 1/2 Greenfire lines. Love them too! He sure has alot of white on him. Is that a bad thing?? This is a new color for me.

 

[rockinpaints]

Jordan Farms may have some in the spring. I'm drooling over everything they're planning on releasing next spring!

I couldn't find his spring line up on his website, what will he have available in the spring?

 

[rockinpaints]

Fluff is an issue in breeding on alot of orpingtons.

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[DaveK]

im wondering..since whites are in such a critical state, could it be worked out in a few generations..the origional orp breeders did that..maybe using some existing us whites?
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lot of people working really hard on these resorting to adding wyandotte with yellow leg ect...just because of the sad state they fell into...im just wondering why this couldnt be worked out..if you dont ask...you dont learn
th
e man who worked the most on the whites in their creation said it took him 5 generations or so to loose the 5th toe from dorking...

Morning, I've commented on the Dorkings already in connection with yellow pigment, which they do not have. Aveca, in commenting again I am not singling you out. You are researching and reporting and that helps us all to learn. But there's something distinctly off about the information re the German white Orpingtons and Dorkings. We have bred hundreds including some from lines that at times threw more four toed offspring than we would have liked. I can say from our own experience that breeding even purebred four toed Dorkings together will not have the fifth toe making an appearance in later generations. We sometimes used an otherwise exceptional four toed bird (don't throw the baby out with the bath water) partnered with a five toed bird bred from five toes and still got many with four toes. As hard as it was to get back to the consistent production of five toed fowl this idea of the five toes haunting someone's breeding efforts for generations makes no sense at all. Not to me anyway. Actually, the whole idea of using Dorking makes no sense. Germany is and never has been a hot bed of big grand typed Dorkings and that would apply especially to the whites. Silver gray may have been used because it woudln't bring red plumage factors into the picture but what would that add to an Orpington. Plumage quality and maybe some unseen things like possible vigor but if doing breed crossing that makes sense a great big balloon of a Wyandotte, yellow pigment and all would be a much safer and more useful cross, considering what has existed in Germany, than any Dorking.

 

[rockinpaints]

I believe Aveca was was trying to make a point that undesirable traits can be bred out (referring to the feather on the legs of orps and using that as an example). A similar point to the feathers is when we were creating our feather shanked Golden Cuckoo Marans, it was a difficult task and many generations till we finally got to the point of no clean legged chicks. I think with selective breeding the undesirable traits that crop up occasionally (feathers on the legs of English Orps) are not a huge problem as long as all other qualities are present, (in my unprofessional, non genesis, humble opinion

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Morning, I've commented on the Dorkings already in connection with yellow pigment, which they do not have. Aveca, in commenting again I am not singling you out. You are researching and reporting and that helps us all to learn. But there's something distinctly off about the information re the German white Orpingtons and Dorkings. We have bred hundreds including some from lines that at times threw more four toed offspring than we would have liked. I can say from our own experience that breeding even purebred four toed Dorkings together will not have the fifth toe making an appearance in later generations. We sometimes used an otherwise exceptional four toed bird (don't throw the baby out with the bath water) partnered with a five toed bird bred from five toes and still got many with four toes. As hard as it was to get back to the consistent production of five toed fowl this idea of the five toes haunting someone's breeding efforts for generations makes no sense at all. Not to me anyway. Actually, the whole idea of using Dorking makes no sense. Germany is and never has been a hot bed of big grand typed Dorkings and that would apply especially to the whites. Silver gray may have been used because it woudln't bring red plumage factors into the picture but what would that add to an Orpington. Plumage quality and maybe some unseen things like possible vigor but if doing breed crossing that makes sense a great big balloon of a Wyandotte, yellow pigment and all would be a much safer and more useful cross, considering what has existed in Germany, than any Dorking.