The Legbar Thread!

[nicalandia]

“It may be described as a Brown Leghorn on a cream basis, to which has been added the barring factor causing it to be autosexing. It is also crested and lays a blue egg”
R.C. Punnett 1957

so something similar to the "Golden" Crele Leghorn?



just a note: Crele Leghorn existed decades or even a century before the "Autosexing" Legbar, so yes they were Autosexable breeds way before the advent of the "autsexing legbar" craze

 

[nicalandia]

Brown Leghorn

 

[graciesmum]

cream legbar

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Pretty hen!

 

[nicalandia]

cream legbar

Nice...


now here what is called the "Yellow Partridge" Leghorn from the UK. which is a cream based wildtype birds with Pg(pattern gene).. there are alot of colors of leghorn in the Uk. not found in the USA.

 

[GaryDean26]

My guess, because Punnett was a scientist not a breeder. Punnett did not set out to make a chicken breed that would be recognized and fashioned after the Leghorn. He was trying to understand color genetics of chickens and chose breeds that were interesting to work with, novel or ones that he knew the genetics of to avoid adding in too many variables.

When setting up an experiment, it is best to have a known set of parameters then only change a single one to be able to have clarity as to what is contributing to the data. Starting with a black barred bird is easier than starting with one that has red enhancers or whatever the many variables are with the barred gold duckwing (or whatever the base is for the crele) especially if you have worked with the barred bird before, know what is going on with its genes, and the barring is crisp and easy to visualize.

There must be a reason behind your question. Why do you think he used the Barred Rock instead of a different breed (do remember he used the Campine for some of his experiments)?

The Plymouth Rock cockerel that was used to start the legbar project was imported from Canada. The high grade Brown Leghorns that were used int he 2nd year of the project were imported too. I don't think that he was going for the easy route. I think that he was going for the highest quality stock he could get to form a new breed that would would add economica value to the poultry industry in the UK.

He used the Plymouth rock in his experiments with the Campine too. So it is reasonable that he was also trying to work with what he knew and could control to a degree.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Nice...


now here what is called the "Yellow Partridge" Leghorn from the UK. which is a cream based wildtype birds with Pg(pattern gene).. there are alot of colors of leghorn in the Uk. not found in the USA.

In my mind when I look at birds as far as genetics go, I mentally add one thing after another. So in my mind when I think of the legbar, first I picture a light brown leghorn. Then mentally I add cream to make a cream light brown leghorn. Then I add the barring over that. This is why I can look at a bird and figure out how to make some of the patterns. So what I am getting at is that in my mind, I picture these birds with barring and being slightly lighter as the ideal cream legbar color that I have in my mind. Of course the type needs modification but you get what I mean

 

[graciesmum]

Sorry I should of said, this is a picture I used when looking at what breeds to get, this is not one of mine sorry

cream legbar

 

[nicalandia]

In my mind when I look at birds as far as genetics go, I mentally add one thing after another. So in my mind when I think of the legbar, first I picture a light brown leghorn. Then mentally I add cream to make a cream light brown leghorn. Then I add the barring over that. This is why I can look at a bird and figure out how to make some of the patterns. So what I am getting at is that in my mind, I picture these birds with barring and being slightly lighter as the ideal cream legbar color that I have in my mind. Of course the type needs modification but you get what I mean

Hey buddy, that is what I do ALL the time. start with the base color and keep adding genes.... great minds think alike I guess...!

hey I lost my official "Educator" tag, due to that Blue debate at the Sumatra thread. now I'll have to "Educate" on an "Unofficially" way....

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Hey buddy, that is what I do ALL the time. start with the base color and keep adding genes.... great minds think alike I guess...!

hey I lost my official "Educator" tag, due to that Blue debate at the Sumatra thread. now I'll have to "Educate" on an "Unofficially" way....

That sucks, maybe the wonderful moderators will reinstate it some day.

That is the thing that I love about genetics. You start with the original wild type, then you can start adding a gene and seeing how it changes it. Over time when you know all the genes and get better at it, you can 'disect' a color and know what it is made from. Like I tell my brother when he works on my car, if cars were as easy as chicken genetics, I'd be set but there are so many big changes from the original first car to todays computer ran cars so I feel there is no way I could learn cars like chickens