The Legbar Thread!

[TheTropix]

At the following link from the Legbar Clubhouse shows what I think you're saying. I am asking, because I do not know. Once the Cream Legbar Standard is written in The Book, if breeders of the more colored birds could be at the 5 yr. mark as well, or longer depending on how soon after CL, the 2nd variety application to the APA could be made. Is that correct?

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!category-topic/cream-legbar-club-club-house/_5ywvySc7E8
Part of it says........
In response to the question about qualification of a new breed or variety, the full and official details are in the APA bylaws, which are printed in each copy of the APA yearbook. In a nutshell:

Applications are made to the APA proposing the new breed or variety, and require the following items:

• Application fee (currently $50 per variety, but look for this to increase some time soon)
• Proposed breed or variety description, written in a style that matches the current Standard
• Signed affidavits from at least 5 breeders stating that they have each bred the breed or variety for 5 years, and that they breed at least 50% true. This is the confirmation, in theory, of the 5 year rule, and the APA generally takes the affidavit signer’s word. There have been some shenanigans in the past, however, and so the APA may begin contacting affidavit signers to confirm what they indicate on the paperwork.
• Show certificates, which are essentially forms that are completed to document that the breed or variety has been shown at APA sanctioned shows over the past two years. The APA may contact the judge placing the birds to discuss their quality and other items.

Once the Standard Committee reviews all of this, and determines everything is in order, then they set the date and place for the qualifying meet. That is where the supporters of the new breed or variety need to put at least 50 birds on display, with birds shown in each class (cock, hen, cockerel, pullet). The qualifying meet judge (chosen by the Standard Committee) judges the meet and makes his or her recommendation to the Standard Committee and APA board as to whether the breed or variety merits admission to the Standard. The APA board has the final vote on the matter.

 

[CibolaChooks]

The color of the barring in the saddle hackles in garydean , lonnyandrinda, and madamwlf, as well as my two roosters is all the same color. The only diffrence i see between the 5 roosters is how much of the color is noticible but its the same color barring as far as i can tell. Garydeans roo color shows exactly what color barring are in mine and all of them. The lighting maid it hard to capture. In what these pictures have captured In Lonnyandrinda roo pic looks like my second roo. And madamwlf roo pic looks like my first with just way less chestnut than mine. All in all seems like all the american creams have the same color barring in the saddle hackles with just diffrent degrees of how noticible it is

 

[CibolaChooks]

Lighting and diffrent cameras make it hard to capture the color of our birds. But in person your roo looks allot like my 2nd roo i posted.

No grey barring on mine.

 

[nicalandia]

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While its true that the birds you mention have a very light lemon color to it, and thats nice ofcourse, what I am referring is the "Grey" Barring lacking in them, not only on the saddle but on their shoulders... This is what is referred as Grey Barring on the standard of perfection...

 

[CibolaChooks]

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While its true that the birds you mention have a very light lemon color to it, and thats nice ofcourse, what I am referring is the "Grey" Barring lacking in them, not only on the saddle but on their shoulders... This is what is referred as Grey Barring on the standard of perfection...

yes yes yes i know . Ive heard you and im smart enough to understand every time you repeat it. your missing the point i maid to keep saying the same thing over and over again. Our american stock doesnt have that or is very rare as far as ive seen. I had to ask for a poll to hear from other people. Now rather than repeat it again maybe suggest solutions. Please dont show pictures of other breeds or talk about other breeds enless you have a recomendation for an out crossing that might correct the issue. Id like to talk about what the ccl blood we have in the US is and what its showing . Its kinda useless to keep repeating a uk sop if were having these talks to figure out what our american blood is showing. Were trying to move forward for purpose of an american sop. People are all giving their thoughts on color for this purpose. I understand what the uk sop states but im not pointing out these facts for fun. You say its not correct great. I asked for a poll to see if anyone has the grey barring. If the american blood doesnt have it then it might be a good thing to change. Or someone could be helpful and suggest a solution

 

[nicalandia]

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I've heard that some of the breeders on here have said they have hatch over melanized hens, well mating those nice roosters that lack the melanizers will bring back the melanizers, that is staying within the breed..

 

[CibolaChooks]

Which hens are over melanized again. Can you post a pic

 

[ChicKat]

Re: http://s22.postimg.org/a50mu4qe9/online_standard.gif

ChicKat, that article says what I'd thought would be a possibility. "The Legbar comes in 3 varieties"
Since the people who are drawing up the Standard lean toward the 'less' colored birds were working on it first, they get to claim the 'Cream' variety of Legbar. The moderately colored birds would have to have their own variety name for distinction. example: Buff Orps, White Orps, Black Orps are all APA recognized... the body type is basic to all the varieties, but the color/pattern nomenclature is the distinction. Couldn't the same be done for the Cream Legbar as well?

Hey TheTropix,
I think KPenley did address this - and just to emphasize, one of the differences between our situation and the UK situation is that they classify just Legbar and then go into the colors... we went to Cream Legbar and excluded the Gold and Silver. -- But Gold & Silver have kind of lost favor IMO in the poultry world - because of the novelty of the Crest and the blue eggs.

• So could the USA back up and do an APA request for recognition for just Legbar? I doubt it, because no one has Silver or Gold, and likely wouldn't follow that route--Are the richly colored birds different enough to be a different variety?.
• We would have to say something to the effect that 'the Cream Legbar comes in 3 varieties' -- to have different colors accepted. Dizzying.

I believe that there are some APA accepted different colors. Around Post 10 in CSU they were talking about the 'German line' being more brown' - in Neww Hampshires...But I don't think it was a different from the other birds in the breed they were talking about, I think it was an accepted color variation. Perhaps the CL could go that route? Thoughts anyone? The American Line could be more rich colored and the British Line could be paler and both ends of the spectrum could be happy -- and we could go on to worry about type and tails and combs and crests -- (In my dreams? What?)

 

[ChicKat]

TheTropix,

I think I didn't completely understand your question -- and didn't quite 'get it'. So in 4 1/2 years providing that 5 breeders have been breeding true for 50% for the past 1/2 year the Cream Legbar gets accepted by the APA in theory -- and following that another variety of CL gets accepted that has a different name -- such as the 'rich cream legbar' or something. The silvery birds go through the door first and the more colorful birds follow, and the the deeply colored birds have enough support and interest they could also be considered a variety of CL. They all would have crests, they all would lay blue eggs.

Is that more like what you had thought?


ETA and then there could be a white variety. hmmmmm

 

[TheTropix]

Yes, ChicKat, I think that's what I was saying. lol and since the more 'common' variety (moderate color) will also have been being bred for about the same length of time (or longer), it seems like the 2nd variety could be admitted pretty quickly with proper documentation. Both varieties are being bred right now, there is no doubt.. so the timetables for both types are almost identical, if not identical.